If trucking and rail voluems are weak and big retailers are pulling back plans for new stores (not to mention ISM and non-manufcturing ISM headed south), what will drive the economy from here?
fairy dust should do, in a form of consumer spending fuelled via liquidity... I bet on the consumer, spending till the dept will no longer allow... its an addition, supposedly a patriotic one as well...
Two comments at the end of the last post sum up perfectly the situation in America these days.
First, Russ Winter painted the clearest picture possible of the rampant fraud that "Americans" have engaged in to undermine and sap the strength of our lender community. If mortgage money is the precious bodily fluid of our great land, then it is these vermin, these "Americans", acting in an unholy conspiracy who have robbed us of our essence.
Of course, the cry-baby Congress, elected with fraudulent votes by the same "Americans" who have robbed us of our essence, will bail out these malefactors, further weakening the spine of our economy.
And then there was Tanta's gratuitous, ad hominum attack on Brian Leonard. Mr. Leonard has had a string of bad luck simply because he has been too trusting, too eager to help his fellow man. It is a disgusting shame when an altruistic pillar of the community like Mr. Leonard can be excoriated for doing his best to help everyone he can to achieve the American dream.
Everywhere I look the spending levels are just insane. Neighbors, people in shopping malls, friends and even family. CCs to the max, massive spending, new cars, TVs, vacations etc.
My wife quoted her girl friend "Why dont you take advantage and take out money out of your house? Its like almost free. Look at us and all the things we can buy now." while implying we are 'unsophisticated finically'.
And thats coming from folks that build a new house last year (~4000 sqf) in Chicago suburb with a $480k/$3000/month interest only mortgage + the old house with ~$150k now also interest only mortgage, still ~9 months on the market in Chicago's not so nice north side. The new house was also furnished with everything brand new and of the highest quality and they already had at least two, week long vacations while the house income is well under $100k. But they are rich as the new house appraised at $900k while a couple nicer and bigger houses sold ~$600k right in the same subdivision, ~8-10 months back while the market was still alive.
Darius,
I must be incredibly unsophisticated financially. My house is largely furnished with 80-100 year old mahogany and cherrywood crap purchased on craigslist and restored.
They can always move back into the old house and let the new one go;-}
After all,
America was founded on gambling, and we do love our dice!
This is going to be interesting- I predict more fedspeak about inflation as metals, fuels and grains start moving out of historical ranges and moving into the 1980 death peak.
Of course they will go much farther this time, as we do not yet have a Volcker anywhere in sight...
taylorfedrates was a bit of a joke...but now the problems will be "Great Expectations"- or self fulfilling prophecies of high profits in commodities and high inflation.
Wages are the at the caboose- the problems are manifest in world pricing of natural resources in a weak currency- namely, the dollar.
Fun!!! Nothing says that house prices can't crater while copper soars...'cause that is what the evidence says is happening!
I wish to join the tradition of identifying young, beautiful, though in this case perhaps not virginal, women to symbolize our economy.
I nominate, "The Princess Di Economy".
Why?
Princess Di was found in the backseat of the Mercedes after the crash looking pretty well and complaining of pain in her elbow.
The French rescue team took care of her elbow for nearly an hour until she suffered a cardiac arrest.
At that point, they rushed her to the hospital and ultimately to the operating room where the surgeons repaired her torn pulmonary artery from which she had bled to death.
And so begins the nasty part of the feedback loop: tightened credit guidelines slow sales (buyers can't get financing) and increase inventory (owners can't refi so they have to sell). As soon as "marketing time" hits the over six months part, that starts showing up on appraisals. Once the lenders see marketing times in excess of six months, they tighten further.
Especially mortgage insurers. They watch marketing time like hawks. So all those "guideline updates" we've been seeing that replace the old 80/20 with the new "one loan" to 100%? You have to get a mortgage insurer to play ball with you in order to do that--just because some lender offers some program (with a footnote that says subject to MI approval) doesn't mean anyone will be making the loans.
months inventory is interesting, but it doesn't tell you whether the sales rate is slower, and if it is slower because of delays in closings due to the sub prime lender problems or if the # months inventory is growing because we all decided to list our homes.
What I'm hearing is there is a surge of loans trying to be processed at surviving lenders.
Well arbo if you want tasteless analogies tied to women's names... put me down for the 'Terri Schiavo' economy... it looks 'alive' on video tape... at least when CNN runs footage.
"So, which will it be? Princess Di or Goldilocks?"
I really can't get over the goldilocks label, "Not too hot, not too cold". I got a kick out of Shilling on Kudblow's "program". Shilling about had a heart attack after hearing the bulls using the goldilocks analogy. I'm sure his blood pressure management medication had to be adjusted accordingly right after the program.
The trainwreck is in super slow motion but the body count in the end won't change. We are just seeing the blood drizzle out one drop at a time. I may have to trade out of my AHM June 25s and go out further, throwing away more premium. No LEAPs so Sept is all I can get. I'll wait until after the 10Q. I am hopeful that their auditors will find something wrong with their sunny preliminary findings. After all, it was only 3 weeks earlier that they dismissed any concerns about their high quality low delinquency book of junk paper. Let's see what the inventory build and summer RE blight flush with REOs does to RE prices...
What I'm hearing is there is a surge of loans trying to be processed at surviving lenders.
What I'm hearing is that lenders who would like to survive are trying not to process those loans. I'm guessing that some people--relitters, usually--are seeing a "backlog" at the lenders and assuming that's because the lenders are just swamped. I am seeing a "backlog" at the lenders, at least in some cases, because it's hard to "process" loans with a 10-foot pole, and nobody will get any closer to some of that stuff.
(1) Tomorrow (Tuesday) CNBC will feature (alleged) buyers' markets for real estate. I can't watch tv at work but CNBC said they would also post some of this content at cnbc.com. However, remember that on a national basis 75% of people who buy a home also sell a home.
(2) Each day this week on In Focus on Bloomberg TV (noon to one ET) are interviews with experts about subprime issues.
Sippin - we're trying to sell a home (estate sale) right now. Very desirable property in a state with a strong economy (nto Ohio or Michigan) & only mid-to-partial bubbly.
It hasn't cleared estate yet so hasn't officially been listed - but we've been doing research.
Realtors tell us it is VERY slow right now... and not due to loans processing though that might become an issue if they start closing offers in the volumes they saw a few years ago. Its off that pace quite a bit.
The realtor we talked to specializes in homes like the one we are trying to sell... he said last fall the home should sell for about $500-500K... lotsa comparables to this in the region.
This winter he backtracked saying maybe a listing at $490 makes more sense.
Recently he said he doubted he could bring an offer better than $450. They just aren't out there.
Its not that the house has changed... its that the realtor & market perception & all associated biases have changed... from one of up, up, up... to now its dropping, where is it?
Until a lower base is established with realistic comps people can point to - no one knows where the market is - so nothing much is moving.
We're all going to have service jobs! Ben's going to drop money so we can all go buy services from each other. It will be sorta like Eskimos and ice - well, when they used to have ice, that is...
Yal, to an appraiser, "marketing time" is my estimate today of how long a property would likely have to be on the market in order to command a given price range. Inventory is only one variable considered in marketing time. It is a very difficult calculation to make intelligently in a market undergoing such rapid change in financing availability and cost as well as inventory levels. You could easily find an appraiser estimating marketing time as two months on an appraisal done today, but estimating it at six months for an appraisal done next month for an identical property.
A crucial variable (see the end of my post below on FC and REO) is "type of buyer" in the market. As CR has said many times, a first-time homebuyer or incoming relocation buyer adds demand but not supply to an existing home market. A move-up buyer takes one property out of inventory and adds another one, unless that buyer refuses to close until its current home has sold. Out-migration adds supply without adding demand.
"Marketing time" has to take all of that into account.
Everyone please calm down...corporate balance sheets are strong and companies are buying back stock at record levels so all is good in the world. Rejoice and be glad!!
Oh no...LISTED corporate balance sheets might be stronger but total US corporate debt from the non-financial sector (remember all of those companies that have been taken private through LBOs?) rose 8.2% YoY or $604b in Q4 (+8.2% for all of 2006 as well) to $5.696 trillion (Flow of Funds ). Balance sheets aren't as healthy as they look and corporate insiders are dumping stock at record levels. I guess I'm being silly...no need to worry.
The $14.1t in domestic financial sector debt oustanding is just a bit larger than a few years ago (sarcasm added).
Also, Total domestic non-financial sector debt grew 7.0% YoY in 2006 yet our GDP growth was 3.4%? That's pathetic given the leverage.
Charlie, that Business Week article is just exactly the kind of jumbled-up mess of terms and issues and rhetorical questions I've come to expect from most articles on the GSEs. If you can tell me what the point is after you straighten out loans versus securities versus GSE issues versus GSE security purchases versus pool quality versus tranche rating versus GSE outstandings versus last year's industry issues, you win the prize.
I tend to think that if the reporter knew what all that meant, he might have shared it with us. An article with a question mark in the title usually doesn't disappoint me, but then again whenever I see that, my expectations are pretty low.
lloyd ruminating over that buoyant stock market I see which I admit is a mighty distraction despite ~60% ownership by the top 1%. I wonder at what point the hourly news reports drop this from the menu as a specialty item. (Or, maybe, add the daily weather conditions in the Bahamas.)
Returning to the linked OC data, it is interesting (I demand you find it interesting) that the top quintiles of houses' months on the market are not only larger but moving in the other direction from the bottom quintiles.
Dryfly, this is more than slightly off topic, but if you would be interested in some field research, Minnesota Public Radio is sponsoring a "Policy and a Pint" evening on Thursday, April 19 with Government Accountability Office Comptroller General David Walker in downtown Minneapolis.
As I recall, Walkers unusual in that he's on record for some outspoken takes on the government borrowing and spending practices. It might be interesting to see if he has any input on the current state of the economy and banking/lending regulation.
Dryfly, seeing the same type of pricing adjustments here, also (N CA) but look very carefully at the first numbers he gave you and see if they were actually happening or just wishful thinking. A lot of people were looking for 2005 appreciation to continue into 2006. 10-20% off 2005/2006 list prices are not unusual.
After some stops and hesitations, we've seen sales volume here get more steady at these adjusted prices.
Tanta, the reason for my assumption is statements from lenders I know and personal experiance in the past 60 days with lenders active (not 100%) in Sub Prime - delayed a payment to me from someone having to produce more documentation for their loan and another delayed due to "unusual volume" at the lender.
BTW, Tanta, your personal story is very similar to a friend of mine currently on "sabatical" .... studying massage, seminary, etc.
I'm not trying to be snippy, but why does the title of this article say "Inventury." It comes up on the side panel as "Inventury" too. Am I missing something.
Went into the grocery store tonight which includes a small branch office of a bank or mortgage company. On the chalkboard in front of their service desk, it says "Is you loan going to balloon. 6.99% loan available, no fees, no down payments"
Dryfly, seeing the same type of pricing adjustments here, also (N CA) but look very carefully at the first numbers he gave you and see if they were actually happening or just wishful thinking.
Oh deals like that were happening - that and more. But there was 'discovery' on the way up too... trying to find a top. Now its the other way. There is a bottom there somewhere but who knows where it is now.
This is a very unremarkable home on outstanding property. It is perched on glacial remnant a hundred feet or so overlooking a protected natural prairie (wildflowers, turkeys, deer, hawks, even eagles up from the river)... Facing west to catch sunsets. A large enough acreage to have privacy but not so much to have a large tax bill, especially considering the 'unremarkable' home.
It will sell - we've had a number of inquiries even before listing - question is when & how much. Listed homes in the area all have 100+ DOM and price reductions to boot.
Speaking of seminaries, Tanta, you might be a good fit at Pacific School of Religion (PSR) which welcomes free thinkers. Their faculty "are particularly concerned with...economic justice." as well as spirituality. And you'll never guess where PSR is...or can you?
Sorry, guys. Mortgage lending is enough Blind Faith for me. You'll have to get someone else who doesn't already have enough sure and certain hope of the resurrection of the Collateral to go study theology . . .
American Home Mtge -16% today as its crappy loans attracted few bids for its Alt-A mortgage paper. Spillover? What spillover.
On a seperate topic, US rail volumes were down YoY in Q1 which goes along nicely with the crappy date out of the US Trucking industry.
http://www.aar.org/pubcommon/documents/wkly_traffic_033107.pdf
If trucking and rail voluems are weak and big retailers are pulling back plans for new stores (not to mention ISM and non-manufcturing ISM headed south), what will drive the economy from here?
Nice report from the front lines
Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: Waiting for the Blood to Rise
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Here is a graph that shows a very clear trend:
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Lloyd: "what will drive the economy from here?"
fairy dust should do, in a form of consumer spending fuelled via liquidity... I bet on the consumer, spending till the dept will no longer allow... its an addition, supposedly a patriotic one as well...
should read "its an addiction"
Well, I guess that answers the question of how wide the impact will be of lending standards tightening....
Now the ALt-A shoe is dropping, which is an additional 30% of loans in California.
I think as California goes, so goes the sanguine thinking about a bottoming.
Darius, are their puts or an ETF on fairy dust? It has to be at a 52-week high.
Two comments at the end of the last post sum up perfectly the situation in America these days.
First, Russ Winter painted the clearest picture possible of the rampant fraud that "Americans" have engaged in to undermine and sap the strength of our lender community. If mortgage money is the precious bodily fluid of our great land, then it is these vermin, these "Americans", acting in an unholy conspiracy who have robbed us of our essence.
Of course, the cry-baby Congress, elected with fraudulent votes by the same "Americans" who have robbed us of our essence, will bail out these malefactors, further weakening the spine of our economy.
And then there was Tanta's gratuitous, ad hominum attack on Brian Leonard. Mr. Leonard has had a string of bad luck simply because he has been too trusting, too eager to help his fellow man. It is a disgusting shame when an altruistic pillar of the community like Mr. Leonard can be excoriated for doing his best to help everyone he can to achieve the American dream.
Bring back Debtors' Prison!
Everywhere I look the spending levels are just insane. Neighbors, people in shopping malls, friends and even family. CCs to the max, massive spending, new cars, TVs, vacations etc.
My wife quoted her girl friend "Why dont you take advantage and take out money out of your house? Its like almost free. Look at us and all the things we can buy now." while implying we are 'unsophisticated finically'.
And thats coming from folks that build a new house last year (~4000 sqf) in Chicago suburb with a $480k/$3000/month interest only mortgage + the old house with ~$150k now also interest only mortgage, still ~9 months on the market in Chicago's not so nice north side. The new house was also furnished with everything brand new and of the highest quality and they already had at least two, week long vacations while the house income is well under $100k. But they are rich as the new house appraised at $900k while a couple nicer and bigger houses sold ~$600k right in the same subdivision, ~8-10 months back while the market was still alive.
All is great, move along...
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Darius,
I must be incredibly unsophisticated financially. My house is largely furnished with 80-100 year old mahogany and cherrywood crap purchased on craigslist and restored.
re Yal's post: Citigroup, like American Express, is a bunch of bottom feeders. Always have been.
They can always move back into the old house and let the new one go;-}
After all,
America was founded on gambling, and we do love our dice!
This is going to be interesting- I predict more fedspeak about inflation as metals, fuels and grains start moving out of historical ranges and moving into the 1980 death peak.
Of course they will go much farther this time, as we do not yet have a Volcker anywhere in sight...
taylorfedrates was a bit of a joke...but now the problems will be "Great Expectations"- or self fulfilling prophecies of high profits in commodities and high inflation.
Wages are the at the caboose- the problems are manifest in world pricing of natural resources in a weak currency- namely, the dollar.
Fun!!! Nothing says that house prices can't crater while copper soars...'cause that is what the evidence says is happening!
I wish to join the tradition of identifying young, beautiful, though in this case perhaps not virginal, women to symbolize our economy.
I nominate, "The Princess Di Economy".
Why?
Princess Di was found in the backseat of the Mercedes after the crash looking pretty well and complaining of pain in her elbow.
The French rescue team took care of her elbow for nearly an hour until she suffered a cardiac arrest.
At that point, they rushed her to the hospital and ultimately to the operating room where the surgeons repaired her torn pulmonary artery from which she had bled to death.
So, which will it be? Princess Di or Goldilocks?
And so begins the nasty part of the feedback loop: tightened credit guidelines slow sales (buyers can't get financing) and increase inventory (owners can't refi so they have to sell). As soon as "marketing time" hits the over six months part, that starts showing up on appraisals. Once the lenders see marketing times in excess of six months, they tighten further.
Especially mortgage insurers. They watch marketing time like hawks. So all those "guideline updates" we've been seeing that replace the old 80/20 with the new "one loan" to 100%? You have to get a mortgage insurer to play ball with you in order to do that--just because some lender offers some program (with a footnote that says subject to MI approval) doesn't mean anyone will be making the loans.
months inventory is interesting, but it doesn't tell you whether the sales rate is slower, and if it is slower because of delays in closings due to the sub prime lender problems or if the # months inventory is growing because we all decided to list our homes.
What I'm hearing is there is a surge of loans trying to be processed at surviving lenders.
"Rail Traffic"....Lumber and Wood down 20-25% for the month and YTD.
So, which will it be? Princess Di or Goldilocks?
Well arbo if you want tasteless analogies tied to women's names... put me down for the 'Terri Schiavo' economy... it looks 'alive' on video tape... at least when CNN runs footage.
Until the FCBs pull the plug.
"So, which will it be? Princess Di or Goldilocks?"
I really can't get over the goldilocks label, "Not too hot, not too cold". I got a kick out of Shilling on Kudblow's "program". Shilling about had a heart attack after hearing the bulls using the goldilocks analogy. I'm sure his blood pressure management medication had to be adjusted accordingly right after the program.
The trainwreck is in super slow motion but the body count in the end won't change. We are just seeing the blood drizzle out one drop at a time. I may have to trade out of my AHM June 25s and go out further, throwing away more premium. No LEAPs so Sept is all I can get. I'll wait until after the 10Q. I am hopeful that their auditors will find something wrong with their sunny preliminary findings. After all, it was only 3 weeks earlier that they dismissed any concerns about their high quality low delinquency book of junk paper. Let's see what the inventory build and summer RE blight flush with REOs does to RE prices...
What I'm hearing is there is a surge of loans trying to be processed at surviving lenders.
What I'm hearing is that lenders who would like to survive are trying not to process those loans. I'm guessing that some people--relitters, usually--are seeing a "backlog" at the lenders and assuming that's because the lenders are just swamped. I am seeing a "backlog" at the lenders, at least in some cases, because it's hard to "process" loans with a 10-foot pole, and nobody will get any closer to some of that stuff.
I don't know if Tanta or someone else earlier mentioned this but Fannie and Freddie's exposure to subprime may be greater than they say:
How Big Is The Bite On Fannie And Freddie?
Two programming notes:
(1) Tomorrow (Tuesday) CNBC will feature (alleged) buyers' markets for real estate. I can't watch tv at work but CNBC said they would also post some of this content at cnbc.com. However, remember that on a national basis 75% of people who buy a home also sell a home.
(2) Each day this week on In Focus on Bloomberg TV (noon to one ET) are interviews with experts about subprime issues.
Sippin - we're trying to sell a home (estate sale) right now. Very desirable property in a state with a strong economy (nto Ohio or Michigan) & only mid-to-partial bubbly.
It hasn't cleared estate yet so hasn't officially been listed - but we've been doing research.
Realtors tell us it is VERY slow right now... and not due to loans processing though that might become an issue if they start closing offers in the volumes they saw a few years ago. Its off that pace quite a bit.
The realtor we talked to specializes in homes like the one we are trying to sell... he said last fall the home should sell for about $500-500K... lotsa comparables to this in the region.
This winter he backtracked saying maybe a listing at $490 makes more sense.
Recently he said he doubted he could bring an offer better than $450. They just aren't out there.
Its not that the house has changed... its that the realtor & market perception & all associated biases have changed... from one of up, up, up... to now its dropping, where is it?
Until a lower base is established with realistic comps people can point to - no one knows where the market is - so nothing much is moving.
We are all in 'discovery'.
Tanta:
what is the current " "marketing time" and when is th earliest it can hit six months part ?
i.e. if now it is 2 month will it take at least 4 months or more ?
New on CNN - The blame game:
Subprime blame game | More | CNNMoney.com
who is missing ?
Lloyd,
We're all going to have service jobs! Ben's going to drop money so we can all go buy services from each other. It will be sorta like Eskimos and ice - well, when they used to have ice, that is...
Yal, to an appraiser, "marketing time" is my estimate today of how long a property would likely have to be on the market in order to command a given price range. Inventory is only one variable considered in marketing time. It is a very difficult calculation to make intelligently in a market undergoing such rapid change in financing availability and cost as well as inventory levels. You could easily find an appraiser estimating marketing time as two months on an appraisal done today, but estimating it at six months for an appraisal done next month for an identical property.
A crucial variable (see the end of my post below on FC and REO) is "type of buyer" in the market. As CR has said many times, a first-time homebuyer or incoming relocation buyer adds demand but not supply to an existing home market. A move-up buyer takes one property out of inventory and adds another one, unless that buyer refuses to close until its current home has sold. Out-migration adds supply without adding demand.
"Marketing time" has to take all of that into account.
Everyone please calm down...corporate balance sheets are strong and companies are buying back stock at record levels so all is good in the world. Rejoice and be glad!!
Oh no...LISTED corporate balance sheets might be stronger but total US corporate debt from the non-financial sector (remember all of those companies that have been taken private through LBOs?) rose 8.2% YoY or $604b in Q4 (+8.2% for all of 2006 as well) to $5.696 trillion (Flow of Funds
). Balance sheets aren't as healthy as they look and corporate insiders are dumping stock at record levels. I guess I'm being silly...no need to worry.
The $14.1t in domestic financial sector debt oustanding is just a bit larger than a few years ago (sarcasm added).
Also, Total domestic non-financial sector debt grew 7.0% YoY in 2006 yet our GDP growth was 3.4%? That's pathetic given the leverage.
Ben better warm up his helicopter
Charlie, that Business Week article is just exactly the kind of jumbled-up mess of terms and issues and rhetorical questions I've come to expect from most articles on the GSEs. If you can tell me what the point is after you straighten out loans versus securities versus GSE issues versus GSE security purchases versus pool quality versus tranche rating versus GSE outstandings versus last year's industry issues, you win the prize.
I tend to think that if the reporter knew what all that meant, he might have shared it with us. An article with a question mark in the title usually doesn't disappoint me, but then again whenever I see that, my expectations are pretty low.
lloyd ruminating over that buoyant stock market I see which I admit is a mighty distraction despite ~60% ownership by the top 1%. I wonder at what point the hourly news reports drop this from the menu as a specialty item. (Or, maybe, add the daily weather conditions in the Bahamas.)
Returning to the linked OC data, it is interesting (I demand you find it interesting) that the top quintiles of houses' months on the market are not only larger but moving in the other direction from the bottom quintiles.
Dryfly, this is more than slightly off topic, but if you would be interested in some field research, Minnesota Public Radio is sponsoring a "Policy and a Pint" evening on Thursday, April 19 with Government Accountability Office Comptroller General David Walker in downtown Minneapolis.
As I recall, Walkers unusual in that he's on record for some outspoken takes on the government borrowing and spending practices. It might be interesting to see if he has any input on the current state of the economy and banking/lending regulation.
Events Calendar | Minnesota Public Radio
Dryfly, seeing the same type of pricing adjustments here, also (N CA) but look very carefully at the first numbers he gave you and see if they were actually happening or just wishful thinking. A lot of people were looking for 2005 appreciation to continue into 2006. 10-20% off 2005/2006 list prices are not unusual.
After some stops and hesitations, we've seen sales volume here get more steady at these adjusted prices.
Tanta, the reason for my assumption is statements from lenders I know and personal experiance in the past 60 days with lenders active (not 100%) in Sub Prime - delayed a payment to me from someone having to produce more documentation for their loan and another delayed due to "unusual volume" at the lender.
BTW, Tanta, your personal story is very similar to a friend of mine currently on "sabatical" .... studying massage, seminary, etc.
I'm not trying to be snippy, but why does the title of this article say "Inventury." It comes up on the side panel as "Inventury" too. Am I missing something.
Sippn, I can assure you that the very first place I'd be thrown out of onto my heretical little arse is a seminary . . .
Went into the grocery store tonight which includes a small branch office of a bank or mortgage company. On the chalkboard in front of their service desk, it says "Is you loan going to balloon. 6.99% loan available, no fees, no down payments"
Dryfly, seeing the same type of pricing adjustments here, also (N CA) but look very carefully at the first numbers he gave you and see if they were actually happening or just wishful thinking.
Oh deals like that were happening - that and more. But there was 'discovery' on the way up too... trying to find a top. Now its the other way. There is a bottom there somewhere but who knows where it is now.
This is a very unremarkable home on outstanding property. It is perched on glacial remnant a hundred feet or so overlooking a protected natural prairie (wildflowers, turkeys, deer, hawks, even eagles up from the river)... Facing west to catch sunsets. A large enough acreage to have privacy but not so much to have a large tax bill, especially considering the 'unremarkable' home.
It will sell - we've had a number of inquiries even before listing - question is when & how much. Listed homes in the area all have 100+ DOM and price reductions to boot.
Discovery isn't a lot of fun for anyone.
BTW, Tanta, your personal story is very similar to a friend of mine currently on "sabatical" .... studying massage, seminary, etc.
'Massage Seminary'? I thought the church was trying to put that behind them?
Speaking of seminaries, Tanta, you might be a good fit at Pacific School of Religion (PSR) which welcomes free thinkers. Their faculty "are particularly concerned with...economic justice." as well as spirituality. And you'll never guess where PSR is...or can you?
Sorry, guys. Mortgage lending is enough Blind Faith for me. You'll have to get someone else who doesn't already have enough sure and certain hope of the resurrection of the Collateral to go study theology . . .
always enjoy your input and comment tanta benn in the biz 25 years never ever seen it go this far. thanks