Summary for Week ending Sept 4th
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CalculatedRisk on Sun, 09/05/2010 - 7:48am (262 comments)
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The data was definitely weak. Expectations were so low - that some of these numbers sort of looked good!
I still expect the ISM PMI to fall ... especially since the new orders index declines and inventories are up. That means production will be cut.
best to all - I hope everyone is enjoying the long weekend!
furst???
Going into the Big Smoke for provisions and such, finding
is no big deal when the stated unemployment rate is close to 20%, wish me luck.
CalculatedRisk wrote:
Juvenal Delinquent wrote:
Tired of
?
Absolutely... - One of my buddies, an ME, ex-Ball ( a major aerospace player) does sprinkler blowouts ( you don't get that in SoCal but in CO one shuts down the sprinkler systems in winter and blow out the water from the pipes ) - and in spring he does turn-ons - He has a client list of 300.. he charges $35 for blowouts. Last year winter came early - people neglected to call him early enough - result - LOTS of work for him this spring to fix broken underground pipes. We laugh about how well he did and he prays for a another sudden winter storm in late-Sep for this year ( I don't - of course ) - and due to the home visits he picks up several DIY-jobs over the summer months. Winters are the hardest apparently.
Of course he lives by the "taxes are voluntary" method. And he got a mod for his mortgage - 17 months of pestering ! ( still hasn't seen the paperwork but when I caution that they may be increasing the term to 35, 40 years and to watch the fine print he looks at me - "I'm 62, like I care if the mortgage is for 35 years" - I just want to hang on to the house - after I die they can take the house" I joke that this mortgage mod is like a reverse mortgage - without the fees and the high interest rate.
CR was furst!
The Cozy Corner, local, non-chain breakfast place was hopping.
Last nite the local non chain Mexican restaurant was hopping too.
Eagerly awaiting the Fall of Recovery.
Damn it how long to I havre to wait for the 3rd half?
lawyerliz wrote:
First of the month checks hit the bank.
What was the age group of the customers?
Bubba: Anyway, like I was sayin',
is like chicken you see. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, 
-kabobs, 
creole, 
gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple 
, lemon 
, coconut 
, pepper 
, 
soup, 
stew, 
salad, 
and potatoes, 
burger, 
sandwich. That- that's about it.
Haha liz, someday that
will come in if you just keep believing!
Bingo! Last week was dead, dead, dead. Yesterday was good and there was plenty of traffic and full restaurant lots last night.
The weeks may end but the Pig™ is forever. Go Pig™!
I think we can see from this summary why mp is expecting a light bulb to go on within the next few weeks.
Nothing but so many people looking to sell stuff for what they paid on craigslist.
Bah, the only ones selling are the ones pricing stuff to move. A lot of hobby cars are going cheap cheap cheap. Hot rod deluxe for pennies on the dollar as folks fall down and find there is no real secondary market for the toys.
Toys are a poor substitute for Wealth.
Only the precious still has a good turn. Since that is portable and will be exported at will, I imagine we will see more and more of it going overseas, never to return. We are falling into the same trap that forced Nixon off of the gold standard, the value of the dollar is too high compared to what it can really buy, so off goes the gold.
As for the data, I would guess we have found a level of permanently lower prosperity, and may find an even lower one soon.
Someday this war's gonna end...
The Employment-Population ratio increased to 58.5% in August from 58.4% in July.
CR - As you yourself pointed out, that was primarily due to the young adults situation.
Looking at the age cohorts, only 16-24 yo saw a significant increase in the employment-population ratio.
For 25-54 yo and for 55+ yo it ticked down
Just got back from my two hour trash pickup/ river sweep.
90 gallons worth of trash, a 5 gallon bucket of crushed cans and a 4 man inflatable raft.
No volunteers came out this time.
You will be rewarded in heaven HG.
Q: How many lawyers does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: How many can you afford?
Adios
igos
ages all over. Family groups. No single persons sitting by themselves. Lots of older people, I admit. But a fair amount of kids with parents.
MrM wrote:
They all went back to school?
Comrade Kristina wrote:
And here with a view of the
's beak...
read it and weep
in addition to soldiers lives lost and damaged, and civilian deaths
the cost estimates for just the war in iraq continue to skyrocket...now estimated to be well over 3 trillion
thats iraq alone...not counting afghan war
while we cut taxes and borrowed money from china to pay for it
anytime a country goes to war and reduces taxes and sacrifices asked of the civilian population, you know the leadership is rotten to the core
The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond
Comrade Kristina wrote:
I take refuge in the triple gem.
Good job, HG
You watch these tv shows about people climbing Mount Everest, and you see trashpiles all over the place, empty oxygen tanks, debris fields in designer colors, scattered across the mountain...
carry it in-carry it out.
Not that hard of a rule to live by, is it?
I ask the hub to do it.
Enrollment at FSU Panama City is up over 10% this year...You could be right.
mock turtle wrote:
How many watts of PV could we have installed for that?
No money down housing loans are back
No Money Down Mortgages, Small Programs, Creep Back - NY Times
...and it will be better this time
To be fair, many don't come back out on Everest and many also come back out on a stretcher...
Actually what South Florida needs is actual loans to be granted. For that we need rates to rise, so people will be interested.
Comrade Kristina wrote:
Evolution in action.
Good on you !
HomeGnome wrote:
Nah... imagine if you could leverage that $3T by 30:1 ... then you'd have some REAL MONEY to play with!
Well, at least we're now able to determine the value of Dick Cheney's soul, in dollar terms.
Eric wrote:
Luckily, the laws of nature don't apply to FIRE
A beautiful day here in Panama City. 82 degrees and sunny right now...Going to spend some time at the pool this afternoon. Hubby and I get two days off together, yay!
skk
"Absolutely... - One of my buddies, an ME, ex-Ball ( a major aerospace player) does sprinkler blowouts"
Ha Ha. We do have that problem in sunny and warm California. I did a lot of fixing broken pipes when we moved in 2009.
I was thinking of how far ahead of the game the ME would be if he had forgone college and jumped into sprinklers after high school or even the 8th grade,. This will become the new normal.
If you can spend like $50k to climb a mountain, you can have the decency to take your trash out. (injured and fatalities exempted)
The two week long, hard freeze we had here last winter was the only thing that saved the plumbing companies around here.
CK, how else do you think they're going to bootstrap the carbon credit trade system into existence?
LL,
Did I miss your comments on the Florida Fast Track Forclosure Courts? The NYT had an article about them by Wreched Morgenson. Ah! I miss Tanta!
homegnome.....true...we could have jump started all manner of energy sources alternative to oil
enhancing our national security and reducing the current account deficit by half
i cry and i am enraged all at the same time
one million dollars per year to keep one soldier on the ground in afghanistan
while the country is riddled with violence and corruption after nearly 10 years of war
i am sick and i am angry
so now, to balance the budget i hear many on the right and even some on the left say we have to take away a chunk of social security
last time i checked social security had poured over a trillion dollars into federal coffers to create a huge surplus
and that surplus was used as a justification for 750 billion dollars of bush tax cuts that went mostly to the top 1%
let me say it plain... a negative, regressive tax, FICA, which then taxed only the first 90k of income
which created a surplus,
was rebated to the top 1% as a tax cut, and then we went to war on a credit card
this was not coincidence...this mess was...is..by design (see george carlin)
Duke is back!!!
DailyTech - Hades Freezes Over: Duke Nukem Forever Makes Comeback
Duke Nukem Forever to be released in 2011 | Morning City News
I'm going to take the over on 2011 release. Like forever.
Pack it in, pack it out sounds easy enough, JD.
But these folks have no pride whatsoever.
I'd seriously like to get a dozen or so dudes together with some bats and crack some heads down there.
But what good is that going to do?
So, I'll ask the question again.
How do you begin to instill in others a sense of pride in the community?
The counties have provided for separate divisions for foreclosures. That doesn't necessarily make them fast. In fact the last couple of times I was down there a good third of the hearings were to postpone the sale, since there is a new rule of civil procedure that requires that. Some were agreed with the bank some not. One of the families described in the article, being kicked out had been there 2 years, if I recall correctly.
On Monday I have a FWOP--suit filed in Spring 2009; I filed defenses a month later, umm Juneish 2009. Nada. If they don't convince the judge the case should stay open, they would have to start all over again. Hasn't paid since Early 2009. This Fwop was filed by the court to reduce the calendar. Don't know why they haven't done anything.
Each county so far is different. Fast track is a misnomer.
It is true the courts don't look real hard at the affidavits. But it is also true that the people being kicked out have been there for more than a year, often more than 2 years, and sometimes more than 3 years.
YouTube - The Crying Indian - full commercial - Keep America Beautiful
josap wrote:
They were seasonally adjusted back to school whether they went or not.
lawyerliz wrote:
Check yo' self before you wreck yo' self.
HomeGnome wrote:
my youngest daughter and i hike around mt rainier...a national park for petes sake
and we pick up candy rappers and aluminum cans and occasionally even a fluckking glass bottle
im with you i want to hide behind a tree with a stick some days and just wack somebody across the backside for this sacrilege
Juvenal Delinquent wrote:
Evidently it is.
But once the Nepal War is Mission Accomplished, we can have the enlisted men do regular police calls on Mt. Everest. Clean that baby up nice!
mock turtle wrote:
I was speaking more about literally cracking skulls.
I think the real impetus is that these are RETIRED judges. So they don't care if the populace gets mad at them.
Our judges are elected.
So a judge can't run and imply he/she is gonna scrutinize foreclosure paperwork. I'm not sure if they are allowed to say that in a campaign.
mock turtle wrote:
That's probably why the group that managed to pull that off is expected to regain control of the checkbook after November..
HomeGnome wrote:
Pride in community is rooted in respect - respect for self, others, and the environment.
Rob Dawg wrote:
Ok, thanks.
Duke is back!!!
Most exciting news in a long time.
Will Take-Two manage to avoid pulling the Obama disappointment trick?
"Duke you can believe in"
Here's the raft I found.
Amazon.com: Challenger 4 - 400 68360 4 person four person 2-3 Man inflatable boat raft: Sports & Outdoors
I think is still in usable shape.
I'll probably try to inflate it tomorrow.
Sardonic wrote:
No wonder we don't have any of that!
JD<
I watched the Crying Indian just this morning.
for inspiration.
HomeGnome wrote:
My gut reaction to that question, somewhat disturbs me actually.
I will replace 'sense of pride' with 'insert ideology here'
So, how do you do that? You form a community around people who do have 'insert ideology here'. Those that don't, get ignored. Completely and totally. If 'insert ideology here' provides enough benefits to the people who belong to this group, outsiders who also want what they see you having, will attempt to change their behaviors to get into your group, to share in the 'rewards'.
Like many others plans, Im sure your intentions are good. However, what disturbs me about that gut reaction, is that 'new' answer is pretty much how I see organized religion having been formed. And I have to ask... is it really worth it?
Sardonic wrote:
I believe there is a political movement afoot that argues that concern for the environment is a Commie plot, and that the Earth can damn well look after itself.
So what's the problem with a little trash?
The path forward, but I fear we will need a long fall before even considering it.
Why The Fourth Branch Of The US Government Needs To Be Abolished, And Why "Authority" Should Never Be Trusted | zero hedge
I have a commercial foreclosure where I represent the plaintiff. This will be long and drawn out, but I wanted to set it for a 15 minute hearing instead of a 5 minute hearing. In Dade, even the commercial foreclosures have to go through this foreclosure division. 15 minute motions are backed up to January or February. So I said, set both. The 5 minute jobber in late October. What will actually happen is that she will wait until the sale date and then file bankruptcy. She did it 2ce on the second mtg we were foreclosing and then got the money together. The filing fee is just under 2k.
RevolutionWillNotBeTelevised wrote:
Is what really worth it?
It may be that the rafters got dumped and didn't know where the raft went.
MB wrote:
Personally, I get uncomfortable with the word "pride." It conjures images of goosestepping national chauvinism. I suppose it's the lawyer in me that prefers "social contract." And I do think we need to work harder at renewing it.
lawyerliz wrote:
it was about 50' away from the water and there was a quite a few beer cans laying around that spot.
Prolly just got lazy and walked away.
Comrade Kristina wrote:
I'm thinking that if they had planned to do the responsible thing, they might have had better "luck". The idea that you can make a dash up the mountain and back, surely plays a part.
BTW- I heard that some of the Sherpas did a couple of trash climbs to help restore their sacred mountain.
Yancey Ward wrote:
I find it amusing that zero hedge wants to abolish itself, along with the rest of the Fourth Branch. While it lacks the authority to abolish the others, it nevertheless could abolish what it is capable of abolishing ... that is, itself.
HomeGnome wrote:
"Oh man, I gotta take aleak." "Me too." "Sure is dark out here." "I thought you knew the way back to the raft.."
The camping group I belong to has a "leave it cleaner than you found it" conduct code.
We have been allowed to camp in protected water shed areas. The forset service loves us.
josap wrote:
I can only imagine how the Forest Service feels!
Rob Dawg wrote:
We picked up shit stained toilet paper right at that spot too so they didn't go far.
I have a "pikstik" so I didn't have to touch it.
flaminia wrote:
We could do just fine with the rule of law, transparency of government operations, splitting Financial, Legislative, and Enforcement powers of government, and abolishing the system of legalized bribery we call the "lobbyist system" (which is at the 'heart' of DC's prosperity)
Never mind... "pride" and nationalism and ideological unification would be much easier than any of that
No wonder she resigned and so should the entire assclown Obama economic team
U.S. jobless rate hints at permanent shift - The Globe and Mail
Structural change in labour market may be behind lack government intervention’s lack of success
That’s a poor return on the hundreds of billions the Obama administration, backed by Congress, has poured into the economy over the last couple of years, and on the Federal Reserve’s decision to hold its benchmark interest rate near zero since December of 2008
Philosophers and social psychologists have noted that pride is a complex secondary emotion which requires the development of a sense of self and the mastery of relevant conceptual distinctions
Pride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
HomeGnome wrote:
Forcing you ideas upon others, for your own benefit.
That is what you are doing after all. In the big picture, protecting the earth is just a disguise for creating a visual environment you would like for yourself. The Earth doesnt care about plastic being tossed all over the place, and how do you know the entire human race isnt just the Earth's way of creating plastic, since it cant do it on its own? Apologies to George Carlin
*obviously, Im taking an extreme position for the sake of making the argument.
Relatively little has been "poured" into the economy, right? It is being hoarded by banks and big business. And is therefore, just dead electrons.
Greenspan says this is all just a temporary dip on the way back to the moon.
I forgot.
I have
RevolutionWillNotBeTelevised wrote:
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
Abraham Lincoln
RevolutionWillNotBeTelevised wrote:
You consult for the RNC, by any chance?
RevolutionWillNotBeTelevised wrote:
Modernizing the national electricity grid and building wind farms are both being held hostage to the public's opposition to having their pristine views ruined.
km4 wrote:
It is a structural change. However it takes awhile to figure it out. In the meantime you throw the same stuff at the wall to see if it works.
The changes are global, the attempted solutions are local. We are a very, very long way off from the ability to fix this mess. IMO this is a major global economic shift, it will take a long time to adjust to the new economic structures.
HomeGnome wrote:
At $4.7/W, the price I was quoted, ~638B Watts. That would supply ~80-90% of the electricity needs for about 62M households.
This comment is posted without comment (from me):
anonymoustroll comments on US Collapse,is it imminent and how far off??
ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:
I wish we could accomplish those three. I get to choose the ideology, naturally.
Instead we have hate, division and religion.
++++
Soylent Green is being made from peanuts and whey with added minerals/vitamins. Keeping the poor alive and a private company getting rich off of poverty/starvation.
Could a Peanut Paste Called Plumpy'nut End Malnutrition? - NY Times
MB wrote:
I hear that argument out here all the time as well. Having driven through many of the new wind farms in the area, I cant understand that argument at all, they are quite beautiful to me.
lawyerliz wrote:
I'd argue that by keeping the banks on life support we've been draining from the real economy. We could have dissolved a few TBTF and freed up their assets to the rest of the economy and also held up the velocity of money and through concentration actually helped the remaining TBTFs. Bank triage in 2007 could have saved the economy and a dozen banks. Instead we've risked the economy to try and hold on to 19. Aesop's monkey and orange soon to be followed by frog and scorpion.
HomeGnome wrote:
hmmmm sounds like something conjure might say
note to self...dont mess with gnomes
curious wrote:
And don't forget: Cut the cost of electricity by at least a third for the other half of households.
Would like to bitch slap Elaine Chao.
This place is kinda violent today...
I have no confidence in the employment numbers as they are manipulated at will, census jobs count as new hires, then they do not count as layoffs! Numerous industries are "tweaked" as "seasonal". The fuzzy math hides what should be very easy straight forward numbers.
Rob Dawg wrote:
This is an artifact of the NYC-DC bubble that nobody who lives there ever goes outside of. Your proposal, Rob, would have dinged employment in NYC and, well, we can't have that. I'm convinced that the politicians in DC--regardless of where their riding might be located--have absolutely no awareness of and no concern about the rest of the country. It may be bigger but the U.S. is the same as all the old European countries. The U.K. is ruled by London for London. France is ruled by Paris for Paris, etc.
Comrade Kristina wrote:
Pride, has that effect on people...
Interesting Times wrote:
Very insightfull. I have to agree with the poster.
Comrade Kristina wrote:
You call 63 billion watts to the testicles of our overlords violent. I call it justice.
Comrade Kristina wrote:
All I did was pick up litter this morning.
I didn't wack anyone with a bat.
yet.
Rob Dawg wrote:
mmmm. bbq rocky mountain oysters.
mock turtle wrote:
YouTube - The Laughing Gnome, rare song.
flaminia wrote:
Personally I get uncomfortable with the word "community". Communities "are" - in urban, highly mobile America calling areas and the populace therein a community is like calling Seinfeld "Friends".
And true communities have a downside - there's peer-group pressure for unsavory actions, there's asshole leaders, there's whining ass-licking, sycophants of these leaders, there's enforcers that the community bullies naturally gravitate towards.
If HG wants people to pick up their own trash - which is a good thing - don't make it any bigger than that. Just have a "pick up your damn trash round here or ELSE " campaign.O alright, perhaps a carrot in addition to the stick thrown into the mix would also help.
Shocking people may help too - The annual Ganpati festival in Western India is marked by dunking a clay statue of the god into the nearest river/large water area after 10 days of prayer etc.. When 300,000 people in any major town do it - it gets a leetle messy. In the 70s a campaign started - where this practice was toned down - households just did a ritualistic dunking of a metal small idol, in the home, not in the river and the metal idol went right back into the prayer alcove.. By the 90s most middle class families followed this practice.
The corporate/political party celebratory idols got ever more large, every more gaudy, ever more expensive though. This set of images that detail the detritus left behind after the immersion ceremonies sent a shock wave though... The Battle of Kurukshetra (updated) -
Ultrabrown
The images got banned ! But it made a point - but also makes a point of the forces aligned against y
Yes indeed....in short Globalization means that there's no going back to Merica of 1980's through 2000's where debt did not matter and Merican's over reliance on asset inflation for faux wealth. Now it's a sobering time of readjustment and may the best men and women win
You know it's funny, but the only 2 people in or near high office who might have picked up on the pv watts thing are Goldwater and Reagan, who deliberately spent the Soviet Union into oblivion.
Maybe Kennedy.
HomeGnome wrote:
Unless you are running the computer you are posting from 100% from an un-polluting source, perhaps someone who doesn't like that pollution will be harboring the same violent tendencies for you.
Or is pollution you cant see, not as bad?
Ah well, once everyone else kills off everyone else who doesnt match worldviews, the pollution problem will be fixed. What with no human beings left on the planet and all...
flaminia wrote:
BosWash combined is about as important to the US as a nation as is California. Two senators versus twenty-six. 17th century political constructs for 22nd century problems.
RevolutionWillNotBeTelevised wrote:
One of the human animals down at the river raped a teenage girl on friday afternoon so why don't you shut the fuck up?
Rob Dawg wrote:
Rob, normally I get grouchy about your advocacy for breaking up Cali. But this one point really does favor your idea.
lawyerliz wrote:
Hey, Kennedy's positions of 1960 were the ones that got Reagen elected in 1980. I'd add TR to your list.
Rob Dawg wrote:
Moose and
. Is always moose and 
!
lawyerliz wrote:
The USSR was a willing accomplice. They didn't have to imitate the US spending spree.
We know the Chindia brown cloud is there. We have satelites. We can figure out the composition of a star a million light years away.
I assume we can figure out where different bits of the brown clouds come from and have a rough estimate of how much money the industries producing the clouds are saving by not fixing the pollution.
Why can't we tax the imports accordingly? Why is this not fair to everybody? Rich Chindians have to breathe that air too.
Comrade Kristina wrote:
This place is kinda violent today...
the hard workin straight shootin rancher, family man, lifts his 44 to blow the smoke away from the muzzle
as the claim jumpin, cattle rustlin, woman abusin, shootem-in-the-back- oulaw, lies diein in the sand
and the rancher announces...
"he needed killin"
RevolutionWillNotBeTelevised wrote:
HG is doing what he can, which is more than most bother to do.
So unless you, or anyone else single handed, can fix the world wide pollution problems - there is no reason to get uppity.
Ok TR is added.
MrM wrote:
I think the expectations from DNF are very high, and it will most likely disappoint.
It is probably being developed for consoles and will be ported to PC, so the graphics will likely be low quality.
ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:
Fearless Leader + Natasha = Barak + Michelle?
Boris = Summers?
Peachfuzz = Giethner?
I think you are on to somethink!
HomeGnome wrote:
What does that have anything to do with... anything?
Im not against what you are doing, cleaning up, I am pushing back against your methods of using force for anyone who doesnt agree with you... There is a song I have always listened to on my hikes, that I think sums up my feelings on the subject nicely...
Rusted Root - Back to the Earth
"Back to the Earth I scream it,
No one listen to me
Back to the Earth I live, they all follow"
I am sure my carbon footprint is immense.
This can't last.
We are all ponzi schemers now.
RevolutionWillNotBeTelevised wrote:
Here's what I wrote:
I'd seriously like to get a dozen or so dudes together with some bats and crack some heads down there.
But what good is that going to do?
So, I'll ask the question again.
How do you begin to instill in others a sense of pride in the community?
RevolutionWillNotBeTelevised wrote:
The California Legislature, far too busy to deal with the budget has redirected its energies and yet still failed to pass mandatory ban on plastic bags.
HomeGnome wrote:
The answer that you don't want to hear, is that you DON'T.
You live your life by the rules you want to live your life by, and allow others to do the same. If they like your ideas, they will follow, if they dont, nothing short of violence will force them to.
Ok, when is Kalidoom day?
mock turtle wrote:
Socially unacceptable, but still true.
In the very tiny ranching communiity I grew up in, there was a town badass. He picked bar fights, bit off ears, etc. One night he picked a fight and the bartender threw him out the front door and the other guy (just to be fair) out the back door. The guy who was out back got his 22 from the truck, walked around to the front and shot the badass in the ass.
When the sherif showed up at the bar, no one new anything. Mr. Badass left town shortly thereafter.
MB wrote:
Anybody have a chart for the price of Natural gas from 1972-1990?
Summary for Week ending Sept 4th: Summer reruns
Mission Accomplished 2
AP rejects Obama administration's declaration that Iraq war is over as US troops will still be involved in hostile action
Heckova job 2
Response to economic storm was just right: no stimulus needed for economy in recovery so Obama administration to propose tax cuts
"I have a dream" 2
Beck rally's Tea Party Faithful on anniversary of MLK speech
This one could be a sleeper
Middle East Peace 7
Expectations are low for yet another installment of this horror-thriller
Rob Dawg wrote:
Rob, I confess I would have expected you to oppose this as yet another Cali anti-business measure.
You can always count on AEP for a good swift kick to the groin...
No defence left against double-dip recession, says Nouriel Roubini - Telegraph
Rob Dawg wrote:
Following heavy lobbying by the plastic bag industry, who argued that it was a "job killer." No mention of the extent to which key politicos' reelection coffers were reenergized.
So if they can't do anything about plastic bags without being bought off, fer chrissake, how are they gonna do anything about something major, like the
budget?!? 
Gimme a Pius and a tank full of self righteousness anyday
flaminia
thankx for the david bowie link
bowie is outrageous..
you are no doubt familiar with aladin sane... just outstanding if you can handle the truly bizarre ( a lad insane)
YouTube - David Bowie Aladdin Sane
warning not at all r but very weird
flaminia wrote:
Nuanced positions don't blog well. We regulate all kinds of things with known negative societal consequences. I'm pissed that the bastards haven't been locked in chambers for the last 82 days hammering budget but finding time for litter?
nova wrote:
+1 I hear you get a sticker and can take the fast lane to heaven as well.
HomeGnome wrote:
i owe much to boy scouts
worked for me during a time when i had no dad around...
taught me to love and respect the wilderness and self reliance and a duty to help others
we had a great troop with outstanding leadership..i was blessed
mock turtle wrote:
precisely
Rob Dawg wrote:
Damn! I couldn't find a youtube clip for Pearl Harbor's "Heaven is Gonna be Empty."
josap wrote:
yeah, and im not advocating street justice...just sayin i can understand it
and i was trying to be entertaining , recalling cowboy movies from my youth (when dinosaurs roamed the earth)
HomeGnome,
Discussions on this board get heated at times, and it can be hard to not let emotion take over for something you believe strongly in. Thats understood.
To share a story with you, I was giving a friend a ride to work one day, as he had no car. He decided to throw the trash from his lunch out the window while I was driving. I immediately stopped the car in the middle of the road, backed up the car, and told him to go out and pick up what he just threw out. Along with any other garbage that was around, that he could fit in the bag. I refused to drive anywhere until this was done, no matter how much he complained that he was going to be late for work.
That's the last time he ever did that in the car with me.
No violence needed.
mock turtle wrote:
Come on, mock.
You aren't that old.
RevolutionWillNotBeTelevised wrote:
Great way to handle littering. You did more than just complain or yell. You required he fix his mess and pay a penalty. I'm sure he got the clue, big time. You took an action, that is the defining difference.
CK<
If you're still on, how are your habeneros doing?
"yeah, and im not advocating street justice...just sayin i can understand it"
Given the tenor of the conversation, time for this week's police blotter haiku:
The firemen had to
tell its occupants that their
house was burning down
Spousal argument.
Assault with cup of hot stew.
“I tripped,” the wife said.
Flies swarm out of an
abandoned van and no one
wants to look inside.
More here: Tales from the Coast: Moderately Appalling Police Blotter Haiku
Bob Dobbs wrote:
Nice screen name...
The Church of the SubGenius thanks you
RevolutionWillNotBeTelevised wrote:
America needs more slack, and has done so for 30 years. I await slack, and honor the SubGenii
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Bob Dobbs wrote:
Hey! These can be the post-modern replacement for Burma Shave highway signs!
RevolutionWillNotBeTelevised wrote:
maybe its not an all or nothing affair
and i appreciate, and somewhat agree, what you were trying to get across to hg and me
seems like we can decry and stem wrongs without walking the perfect path ourselves especially when it comes to pulling back on environmental destruction which will take many steps, iterations and approximations before we as a society can absolutely "leave no trace"
but i think i get your point, that while hg and i are outraged over bottles and beer cans etc strewn about the river etc
somebody else could get very tweaky about mercury and a host of other toxic brews left to landfills from obsolescent technology
point taken
i guess for me part of the myopia is we pretend to believe... and try to keep the park pristine and expect others to buy-in
Bob Dobbs wrote:
Great stuff - Thanks - I think I'll feed that blogger tales from the Front Range - why is it called Police Blotter by the way ? I know what a blotter is ( I remember the days of fountain pens natch ! ) but why police BLOTTER ? When I try and describe to my niece in India what our life is like in CO ( after years in LA, after years in UK) , I refer to the stories in the Police Blotter - the most infamous to me was 1 street away from us - somebody notified the cops about a suspicious object on the sidewalk. The police came, determined that it was a lunch box and delivered it to the kid at his school !
Community policing in action !
from bloomberg:
Extending 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for individuals earning less than $200,000 annually and families earning less than $250,000 -- about 98 percent of all taxpayers -- would cost $2.2 trillion in forgone revenue over the next decade, according to an analysis of government data released Sept. 2 by the Pew Economic Group.
Extending all of the tax cuts, including those for the wealthiest Americans, would cost $3.3 trillion over the same period, Pew’s analysis found.
Please don't tell me again that the two parties are the same:
Republicans want to extend the >$250K tax cuts, with no offsetting reductions elsewhere
Democrats want to end the tax cuts for the >$250K folks (well most Dems, anyway)
One trillion dollars over the next 10 years is the cost of the tax cuts for the >$250K bracket.
Fiscal Sanity? Not on your life.
mock turtle wrote:
Its not all or nothing, of course. Like most of life, there are an infinite amount of shades of gray, so to speak.
I appreciate what you both have done, and the strong desire to make sure that people take out, what they bring in. In my smoking years, I would always use my empty packs of cigarettes and fill them with fishing line, pop-tops, or whatever. I have also lived the 'leave no trace' to such an extent, that its something I do without thinking about now. When I go fishing, at the end of the day, I fill my empty bait bucket with the garbage of others that is 'usually' around me. Is it a lot at any one time? Not really. But over years and decades of doing it, it can certainly add up.
The important thing, is not where you stand at any one instant, the important thing is what direction you are moving. You both exemplify the desire to move forward with the ideals you hold, and that is to be respected.
Yes, I can be taken as abrasive at times, but the intent is to try to see ALL sides, even the ones I dont agree with. When I post about not 'caring' about plastic, its an attempt to see the other side of the way I live, not because I live that way or agree with it.
my youngest daughter and i hike around mt rainier
About ten years ago I visited a friend who lives just north of Seattle, and I recall the view of Mt. Rainier, especially driving south in I5. Then, on another visit, my wife and I went for a sightseeing small plane ride (a four seater) above the mountain. I remember seeing a file of climber below, hiking up the slope.
lawyerliz wrote:
The downfall of the Soviet Union was much more related to the fact that the Saudis forced down the price of oil to such a low level that it became basically impossible for anybody except Saudi Arabia to produce profitably. The Soviet Union was extremely dependent on its crude export revenues.
Doctor to Blond Patient: Miss, we received your lab results back, you're pregnant.
Blonde: Is it mine?
DrumRoll: ThaDaDump!
LOL......Can you tell I don't get out much? (Back to peeling apples)
That too I guess.
Wow what a week
He decided to throw the trash from his lunch out the window while I was driving.
Sometimes people just don't know that it's wrong. It can be explained without getting aggressive about it.
Loss of Faith in Afghan Leaders May Hurt Push Against Taliban - NY Times
“There are 50 of them,” Mr. Hakimi said. “The corrupt ones. All the Afghans know who they are.”
“Why do the Americans support them?” he asked.
Mr. Hakimi, a shrewd businessman, seemed genuinely perplexed.
“What the Americans need to do is take these Afghans and put them on a plane and fly them to America — and then crash the plane into a mountain,” Mr. Hakimi said. “Kill them all.”
RevolutionWillNotBeTelevised wrote:
seems to me many of us if not all can be abrasive sometimes
me especially
i appreciate your points of view
i empathize with homegnomes anger esp after hearing about the human damage the criminals did down river
i wish he hadnt launched an f u but on occasion ive let the f bomb pass my lips
Oh, and there was this weird show about heredity I watched once, where it is possible to give birth to children you are not genetically related too (all natural, no technology). I forget how it worked. But this lady wanted welfare and was tested and kid not hers. Yes it is she said. Later she gave birth to another kid, in hospital, all watched all footprinted, 2nd kid not related to her either. Related to first kid.
Somehow her ovaries got someone else's eggs.
A
in every pot.
This year's winning election slogan.
Get your bumper stickers early.
Reagan, who deliberately spent the Soviet Union into oblivion.
The system was breaking down anyway. The defense budget probably accelerated the disintegration. I give Reagan a lot of credit for sidestepping nuclear war, although there was at least one close call - probably more.
lawyerliz wrote:
Embryo transfer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
skk wrote:
Newspapers around the country have columns of brief items called Police Log or Police Blotter. As I understand it, in the old days the crime reports written during a watch would pile up on the police station's front desk, individual notes tucked into the desk sergeant's desk blotter. Crime reporters would wander by and would ask what was happening. And he'd pull notes out of the blotter and tell them. That's the legend, anyway.
Among the most interesting blotter items are not those of crimes, but of reported crimes that turn out to be entirely innocent activities: a report of a suspicious man putting a child in his car turning out, of course, to be the child's father. Or, people calling police to talk to their neighbors about some nuisance -- without contacting the neighbor first. And then of course there are the "stolen" cars which turn out not to be stolen, but rather "borrowed" informally by a boyfriend who got too drunk to remember what bar parking lot he left it in or even that he borrowed it.
pavel.chichikov wrote:
from camp muir across to the emmons glacier, during summer months it is like a highway!!!
heres a fun fact
more glacial ice on mt rainier than any other mt in the contiguous 48, and emmons is the biggest
seems like you took a way cool flight...someday i just might muster my courage
USSR was all rusty already inside long before Mr. Ray-Gun became president. The massive nuclear arsenal was built in the 60's and 70's already. CIA guys did not have a clue even in the early 1990's when USSR suddenly collapse. The other team just suddenly did not show up. CIA actually estimated that Cold War would just go on and on and the few guys which predicted the collapse, were laughed at or were considered loonies.
LoserBeachBum wrote:
The USA was all rusty inside from globalization and Mr. Ray-Gun's legacy before we became a empty shell of an empire.
seems like you took a way cool flight...someday i just might muster my courage
In a four seater it feels as if you're sitting on a flying carpet, with a few thousand feet of air underneath. Or maybe looking down from a flying volkswagen.
I think it cost about three hundred bucks an hour - but worth it.
mock turtle wrote:
We have a winner. Don't forget the schmucks who shouted down anyone who spoke out against it as anti-American.
And Republicans say they are gifted in war and business, lol.
Anglo will bankrupt country, says poll -
National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie
Need a :stout: icon
"Reagan, who deliberately spent the Soviet Union into oblivion."
20 years later...Americans themselves are spending themselves into oblivion while shooting flies like Al-Qaeda with cannons. The winner of the duel gone mad....
mock turtle wrote:
George Carlin - You Have No Rights.
HomeGnome wrote:
Behave that way yourself.
Convey your expectations through positive and negative social reinforcement. Praise those who do good. Scold those who do wrong.
Organize and offer rewards to incentivize the behavior you want. Make doing what you want done part of a party or festival.
Use propaganda to paint people who are wrecking things in the most unfavorable light possible. Show them as dirty, ugly and uneducated. Some part of that will push everyone's buttons.
Try to stay away from negative / subtractive efforts. Paying someone $10 / bag for trash found on the riverbank will get you a lot farther than paying someone $100 to toss their fellow man in the river.
lawyerliz wrote:
Twins that merge into one person invtro.
There is a name for it, but i forget.
Probably the Soviet response to NATO Able Archer 1983 military exercise scared the hell out of Ray-Gun. Soviet leaders really thought Americans are going to attack and MIGs with nukes and engines on were ready to go at runaways in DDR. Some experts say it was even closer than during Cuban missile crisis.
lawyerliz wrote:
I'm going to call you on that one. There's only 1 recorded instance of that AFAIK.
I'd love to see the original story.
I'm parsing what you said 3, 4 times - a common sense understanding of "all natural" and "(not) genetically related" makes this simply not add up. Is there some technical gotcha around those phrases that I'm missing?
skk wrote:
Chimera, rare but it does happen.
Chimera (genetics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As the organism develops, it can come to possess organs that have different sets of chromosomes. For example, the chimera may have a liver composed of cells with one set of chromosomes and have a kidney composed of cells with a second set of chromosomes. This has occurred in humans, and at one time was thought to be extremely rare, though more recent evidence suggests that it is not as rare as previously believed.
more lies have been told more people have been slaughtered in the name of organized official religion then i can comprehend
i do believe in God, but not in the conventional sense, with great wisdom and lies imho to be found in the bible
as for "God given rights"...i think we have the rights we are willing to fight and die for
see ya all tonight, gotta fix a vehicle that cracked a leaf spring
josap wrote:
Well,
knew ? Thx. and the link gives the|a court case too.
That led me to this:
Anglerfish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lovecraft himself can't touch nature in its infinite creepy weirdness.
NATO Able Archer...Some experts say it was even closer than during Cuban missile crisis.
You got it.
greenchutes wrote:
We live in an increadable world.
All of us doing what ever is needed to survive and propagate.
The prime directive I guess.
Just bought two of these. The one at the local botanical garden smells wonderful.
Zephirine Drouhin - CLIMBING ROSE - The Antique Rose Emporium
*...more people have been slaughtered in the name of organized official religion *
Raison d'etat and personal ambition beat it hollow.
as for "God given rights"...i think we have the rights we are willing to fight and die for
If there are no God given rights we are lost.
Byzantine_Ruins wrote:
A hilariously ironic juxtaposition of recommendations.
pavel.chichikov wrote:
"But this lady wanted welfare and was tested and kid not hers."
I'm guessing it has something to do with a toilet seat!
MB wrote:
Not really. It's about cost. Flyers depicting litterbugs as dimwits are cheap. Real confrontation is expensive.
So you keep your attacks on in the realm of minds and paper. You'll rarely find someone who is an active defender of littering to offend with a broadside. It's a habit of the thoughtless and the simple-minded of malevolent bent.
Hwy 395 in the rural desert isnt exactly filled with 'speed traps'. How would this work exactly?
If there are no God given rights we are responsible
I didn't write that. I just wrote this:
THE HOUSE OF LOVE
Summer heat has broken
Shining clouds appear,
They are the carven omens
Of water and wind shear
Sometimes there is thunder
And broken is the sky,
Clouds are torn asunder
Their battlements a lie
Carven into clouds
Are we who soon disperse
Who were the shining proud,
No better and no worse
Marvelous as mountains
Rising in the air,
At sundown we are omens
Of nothing and no where
Who can build with vapor
And set a roof above?
A puzzle to the clever
This predicament of love
Pavel
September 5, 2010
pavel.chichikov wrote:
From a distance we are instruments
marching in a common band.
Playing songs of hope, playing songs of peace.
They're the songs of every man.
God is watching us. God is watching us.
God is watching us from a distance.
Cartoon: Here's the scoop... | OregonLive.com
From the AP
By 2018, the government forecasts a net total of 15.3 million new jobs. If that proves true, unemployment would drop far closer to a historical norm of 5 percent.
Here
Wealthy people in Chindia and the US are pretty happy with the way things are right now. Their relationship could break down, but most within the international elite don't want it to.
Let the rabble fight over the scraps if there are any. 'They are animals anyway' to paraphrase the Godfather.
ShadowInventory wrote:
LOL, I agree, that "Leader of the Free World" job sucks right about now.
Byzantine_Ruins wrote:
Around here this summer, there has been a rash of destruction of headstones in cemeteries. When I saw your phrase, that came to mind immediately.
pavel.chichikov wrote:
Pavel, you are just too, too good at that poetry stuff.
purple wrote:
Sounds like a very reasonable point of view for the wealthy, or anyne else who is happy in thier current situation.
josap wrote:
Especially when they don't have to pay for the wars that are fought to protect their interests.
God bless you, MB. Your bouquet is fragrant.
Question:
CR wrote
1) Nonfarm payroll employment declined 54,000 in August.
2) however Decennial census employment declined 114,000.
3) so ex-Census, payrolls increased 60,000.
If #1 and #2 are both negative, why are they not added together? Why -54k - -114k and not -54k + -114k?
HomeGnome wrote:
++
I'd ask over at the oil drum, but it appears to be off-line right now....
Anyone wondering whether when they pulled the old blow-out preventer off of the stack, did they have to cut drill string to get it loose?
Anyone wondering why you would install a new preventer as opposed to a cap?
I am......
justaskin wrote:
Maybe the preventer handles presure better. I don't really know.
edit to fix.
justaskin wrote:
methinks they are going back to the well; so to speak.
piqued wrote:
One is trying to determine trend employment change i.e. absent the distortion that the census hiring caused ( causes every 10 years). So the
recorded employment-change = real (trend ) employment-change + census employment-change
real(trend) employment change = recorded employment-change - census-employment-change
= -54K - ( -114K )
= 60 K
Byzantine_Ruins wrote:
They are, we're still in Iraq & Afghanistan --looks like we're moving into Yemen or increasing our "presence" there, and isn't the US the biggest arms dealer in the world? And they talked so many people into subsidizing both. If the GOP is the party of the elite, then the GOP has done very well.
edit to include Yemen
justaskin wrote:
I read that they are worried about the concrete plug not holding, so perhaps they want in BOP in place to cover a possible repair job on the plug.
All sort of malfeasance coming out now that folks are looking more carefully at local governments:
Compton mayor, whose salary for his part-time post is unusually high, misses a lot of meetings - latimes.com
skk wrote:
they are still out of work.
According to the sleeve or hat method?
josap wrote:
true dat ! I was only clarifying how that equation works. Just goes to show the freakin' sterility of these stats - there's no color to it . And I do have misgivings about this adjustment - because like you said......
The Mayor was making 63K, a very good gig if you can get it.
MB wrote:
They didn't, didn't even try. The idea that the Soviets fell because of trying to keep up with the arms race is political mythology. The Soviet Union was already on its sclerotic way out at the time, and many thing contributed to the final fall, but the oil bust hit them a lot harder than trying to "keep up" with star wars.
And basic functions are tied up in politics as usual:
City government: Politics hamper efforts to update LAX concession contracts - latimes.com
One of the companies involved, HMS Host, has provided horrible food service at LAX on and off since 1962. For those who have never had the misfortune of sampling their wares, HMS Host provides quality on the level of a bad high school cafeteria, but at high-end restaurant prices. Through unending lobbying and bribery, they have clung to the LAX concessions for years.
The story details the various politicians on the take who are responsible for approving the contracts, and the lobbyists who pay them.
It really gives one faith on local government.
skk,
Thanks for the explanation; mathematically sound but semantically (intuitively?) challenging: real loss in jobs is trend-positive gain.
HomeGnome wrote:
I don't know how you do that, but for the specific job you're talking about: a river clean up, I wonder if you've tried talking to: (1) local boyscout & girl scout troops; (2) local churches--their youth groups might be interested in a clean up project; (3) local schools--in some school districts, there's interest in students participating in community service projects, your project might be one a few kids, maybe more, would be interested in, (4) any community colleges/universities in the area--more students; (5) local court system--here people convicted of misdemeanors may be sentence to so-many hours of "community service" (in addition to restitution, etc.) and perhaps you could get participating in riverside cleanup put on the list of activities that qualify for "community service". Who knows, someday that person helping clean up to accumulate some more hours of "community service" might be one of the people who tossed some of the trash. (6) not sure if a river clean up can qualify as a 4H project, but it might. (7) business sponsorship--trash collection here is privatized (sort of it's by exclusive franchise) and the local trash business sponsors 1-2 river cleanups/year--I think other local merchants donate food so participants get a kind of reward for helping to pick up trash/plus additional "bonding" over food.
She was born with an ovary with someone elses eggs. or the eggs had somebody else's dna.
I forget.
MB wrote:
One of my least favorite types of anti-social vandal. Right up there with church desecrators and pet-poisoners.
Nice suggestions, Azurite!
no, no, this actually panned out.
Chimera as above, or possibly something else.
Littering is the Enron mindset writ small.
Rob Dawg wrote:
FWIW - In Ireland you can get a plastic bag from your grocer, but it will cost you 0.25 euro ($0.35 US).
Thanks for the suggestions guys.
Plastic soda bottles are by far my most commonly found litter.
Beer cans are running a close second. <---Bud Lite is the one I find the most, if anyone is wondering.
picosec wrote:
In Italy as well.
If you want to stop something make it cost too much.
I remember paying 5 cents to 25 cents to take away a bottle which got refunded when returned by the grocery store, who hated doing it.
We also put twine around our newspapers and some charity picked them up.
Recycling, 50s Baltimore style.
There also used to be people called, ah-hem, STREET SWEEPERS, who when up and down the curbs, sweeping up whatever was there. Hence as a kid I was taught to put the trash in the gutter for the sweepers. Then there were machines. Now there is nothing. Why?
Thanks Byz--I've learned from helping w/some community/local clean up projects and been pleasantly surprised--sometimes--by how many kids are interested in doing something immediate that "helps the environment" or "helps people". Some are just accumulating activities for their college applications but so what, as long as they're out there doing useful stuff.
lawyerliz wrote:
Union wages job for professional service employee vs. spoils system job for party lout. We have any bridges here that still have the little houses on them the people who once took care of the bridges. My mom tells me they used to have contests to see who could clear them of snow fastest. By contrast, we had snow this winter, and none of the sidewalks on the bridges were cleared, even when the snow was down for weeks.
lawyerliz wrote:
A lack of pride in the community.
Fidel Castro, Internet junkie - latimes.com
Castro apparently does not realize the irony of his statements, or the fact that he is a blood sucking part of the
lawyerliz wrote:
Yup, josap gave me the link - Here's the|a legal case and program that perhaps you knew of:
Lydia Fairchild - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I now see its even been done by CSI -Las Vegas. So it MUST be true
;
Now I'm trying to figure out what proportions of the body cells are which of the of bi-chimera - and are they cell type specific ( skin, muscle, bone etc ). Fascinating.
HomeGnome wrote:
Sort of. The affluent fled to their rabbit hutches in the burbs with no infrastructure to take care of or take pride in.
What was left was torn to little pieces and gobbled up by civil employees unions and politically connected contractors.
I doubt that the street sweepers made very much money. Our neighborhood was hardly ritzy.
I guess Baltimore just got poorer and poorer. And everything went.
Imagine that you have a product whose price tag for decades rises faster than inflation. But people keep buying it because they're told that it will make them wealthier in the long run. Then suddenly they find it doesn't. Prices fall sharply, bankruptcies ensue, great institutions disappear. Sound like the housing market? Yes, but it also sounds like what Glenn Reynolds has called "the higher education bubble."
Higher education bubble poised to burst | Washington Examiner
"Is our students learning?" George W. Bush once asked
The epitome of higher education
Byzantine_Ruins wrote:
Do people still walk across the bridges?
HomeGnome wrote:
OR coast: cigarette butts, plastic/foam cups & plastic bottles. More than 35 tons of trash - including the kitchen sink - removed from Oregon beaches | OregonLive.com
I see many plastic "bits" on some beaches (deposition is semi-seasonal), some of them are pellets, some are just bits of plastic--it'd take hours to pick up even a relatively small number so I don't think the SOLV volunteers gather them. Plastic Pollution | Coastal Care Extremely destructive of shore & ocean wildlife.
lawyerliz wrote:
Spoils system jobs seem to have sucked pay wise. But you kept some marginal drunkards employed chasing gum wrappers and cigarette butts or shovelling asphalt, the party machine had its get-out-the-vote footsoldiers, and they got to have a job where it didn't matter if they were three sheets to the wind all day.
The rising tide of professionalism lifts few boats, but the boats it does lift are well-appointed. We really need to rediscover the use of marginal jobs for marginal individuals.
josap wrote:
Many people, myself included. I guess it's hard to notice in a society that gets in the car to go to the end of the driveway.
Edit: Obviously, visitors to Byzantium from the burbs don't. They'd get too far from their cars to be comfortable, and niggers might eat them -- just ask! But the residents get use out of them.
azurite wrote:
Oh how I loathe the "styrofoam cooler"...
They break up into smaller and smaller pieces until they just crumble when you try to gather them.
When I went to college and was seen carrying a book, people would ask me what course was I reading it for?
Maybe they were just being polite and making conversation, but when I said, no course, just want to read it, a invaribly got an astonished, bewildered, why would you want to do that look. This was in the mid to late 60s.
Education is necessary, in the sense you have to learn to read and write and spell and do baby math. And learn a mental trade like accounting etc. But learning and wisdom are something else entirely and everybody has these concepts all mixed up.
One of my car fixer clients, who is very smart, obviously, said he hadn't finished high school, indicating he felt inferior, and I said, are you nuts, you are very smart! His eyes light up when he speaks of cars and his business.
Byzantine_Ruins wrote:
+10
Years ago, a local social worker told me that some of the drunks you'd see in the Old Town/Chinatown area of Portland, OR, spent their summers working with/on the wheat & other harvests (fruit) in eastern OR & the Mt. Hood area. She said they'd dry out for that period, earn some money, feel better. Live a little longer. "Working in the woods" ,on the fishing boats and fish plants was how some of the marginal folks around here managed (some still do, but many fewer).
edit to correct typo
lawyerliz wrote:
YouTube - Bill Hicks- What your reading for?
Start @ :40.
But Byz, everyone needs to go to college, and the losers of the system, well they can work at Walmart.
That is the answer I hear around here, but what the rich miss is their grandkids will be the ones working at Walmart.
3 generations to make it, 3 generations to break it. Seems to apply to just about anything.
Why should the cities they built be immune?
After all, they viewed the mill as an inexhaustible resource to be infinitely sheared until it closed. Then what?
Nothing left but those too slow to go. One of the dumbest things about Pennsylvania that used to drive me nuts was the incredible low stakes they played for, while entire cities gave up and rotted. The Lehigh Valley has been all but destroyed, and yet they keep the policies that worked for large industrial cities in place.
Gotta change government, because if you want to see what a V.A./education rump economy looks like, Wilkes Barre and Scranton are the poster children.
Retirement cities is what they should choose to be, retirement cheap for those who can't afford Florida.
Otherwise, what do you have? Not much, and a cold climate.
Someday this war's gonna end...
Works for me.
And I haven't mentioned it recently so let me point out that Nancy Pelosi is Tommy D'Alessandro's daugther, corrupt but very effective Maryland poll.
azurite wrote:
A lot of this has migrated to the lower end of temp contracting, but the character has changed. In some ways, you see the perverse effects of employees rights / workplace safety efforts, but I think a lot of it is pure moralism. There's a lot less willingness to accept that marginal individuals have a useful role to play.
Lived for awhile in Haarlem some years ago. The lady at the top of our street was out scrubbing her stoop, front step and walk at dawn. By the time she was cleaning up the sidelights and polishing the brass fittings, her neighbor was at work scrubbing the stoop, stairs and walk. By real daylight, every housefront was tidy. The city stopped at the bottom of the lane and collected all the soapy water, dirt and trash. This went on all over town.
Cultures really are very different in these little ways.
burnside wrote:
In the Netherlands?
Beautiful city.
And the Dutch are pretty tidy people.
HomeGnome wrote:
Sure.
Citizen AllenM wrote:
Off to such winning locales as Sharif Iusuf's domination and sundry other housing bust ground zeros.
Doesn't matter what cabin you have in the ship of fools -- I know I picked mine with an eye toward staying above the waterline after the hull settled on the bottom.
"Perhaps a careful review of your options is in order."
Byzantine_Ruins wrote:
Just about everyone, really.....
burnside<
I visited Willie Wortel's when I was in Haarlem.
Byzantine_Ruins wrote:
Yeah, but can I get a room a little further away from "those people"?
They look hungry.
HomeGnome wrote:
Oh my!
Hope you had time to step in at 'in 't Goede Uur'.
burnside wrote:
I didn't.
I was trying to catch the train to Zandvoort.
Ever been to Rene's in Amsterdam?
Great coffee and tasty pastries.
ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:
I think corporate theft and fraud has pretty much been institutionalized during last two decades; good luck having some kind of values-based revival.
km4 wrote:
Or leave for more favorable shores
josap wrote:
Like hydrocarbons.
km4 wrote:
Wishful thinking.