Summer jobs hit all-time low for youths - USATODAY.com >

Look at the bright side - the percent of working 65+ year-olds is close to the highest levels in 40 years
/snark off

I think I'm going to have to wait for the "Real Estate is dead and buried" cover on Barron's before I buy again.
I'm sure I could always rent out my apartment for a loss with tax's, state and maintenance fees going in only one direction of up.
A van on the beach is starting to look pretty good, since the State tripled the live aboard charges for boats.

"Chasing the market down" sounds a bit like my experience with SRS.

"Waiting for a better market" meet "baby boomers planing to retire on their real estate gains."

Nite, bANK.

"Waiting for a better market" meet "baby boomers planing to retire on their real estate gains."

Apropos my point above that " the percent of working 65+ year-olds is close to the highest levels in 40 years"

Rob Dawg wrote:

"Waiting for a better market"

That's odd, both the sellers and the buyers are waiting for a better market.

Why do you guys listen to those assbites? They need money. They whore themselves on MSM and as "consultants," They are full of hot air. Stay away from them. They dirty your clothes and your mind.

Here's the brilliant Lakshman Achuthan in 2009 telling it how it's going to be:

"H.L.: What do you see ahead for the economy from the data on earnings, the deficit, Gross Domestic Product, jobs, personal income, housing, manufacturing, and consumer confidence?

L.A.: Not that any one of those items will improve in lockstep, however, with the recession ending this summer, many of the very negative headlines we’ve seen on these measures will start to abate. In essence, that this is the case is likely what the stock market has been suspicious of these past few months.

Basically what it boils down to is that despite a lot of disbelief, the recession is indeed drawing to a close sometime this summer, and this will begin to become clear as we receive new data on GDP, industrial production, employment, retail sales, and even income."

STAY AWAY FROM THAT TOTAL CRAP. KAPISH? Want your knee caps busted? Leave that media whore to the others.

skk wrote:

The symmetry is beautiful isn't it - not to go on a math tangent, so I won't but there is a terrible symmetry to this.

Waiting for Godot... or at least game theory

Poic, thanks for posting the MacAskill trials vid the other night. Righteous.

Live Free of Debt wrote:

Poic, thanks for posting the MacAskill trials vid the other night. Righteous.

No doubt.
That brother has some serious skills...

It puts the price reduction in the MLS else it gets the ho(u)se again!

His take on the state of the economy in the second half of 2009 was spot on.
You may disagree with the ECRI's choice of the dependent variable (GDP), but that variable did go where they told it would go.

The question is at what price do both the seller and buyer agree to the deal? In a falling market, both don't want a bad deal. In a rising market, it's more a question of how fast is it rising.

MrM wrote:

Summer jobs hit all-time low for youths - USATODAY.com >

The slightly ironic thing: USATODAY is having a major restructuring. Lots o layoffs.

I love that Danny Mckaskill video. Something in me always loves the idea of someone excelling at something they absolutely love; not for money or advancement; just fir the pure love of the endevour. He shot that video with his flat-mate over a 6 month period. The gate railing shot alone took 8 hours until he got it right. He was really living a hand to mouth existence until that video went viral.

On Topic: DC is Denial City.

That's right before summer, right?

The economy did grow in Q3 and Q4 of 2009.
Now he is not so sure about the outlook for Q4 of 2010.

MrM, there are a full handful of men posting here who see and whose views have proven insightful and worthy of serious consideration.

Math is a game of Liars figure and figures lie. Probabilities are more useful as we're human. We're all hardwired, no exceptions (at least not outside of the loony bins).

Here's a math story. My ex significant other works for a major company. The division was sold. The profit calculation to determine price included my friend's section of the division. The calc's for my friend's section of the division has been dead wrong for at least 2 years. The math worked. But the math was staggeringly wrong. The difference was 100% in terms of gross profit. And that was reviewed by sharp, well educated, skilled biz peeps. They screwed the pooch. This just happened. This is not back then or in the yore.

I trust the charts; I don't trust the math. I don't trust their analysis.

And I canceled the relationship because of a simple matter of trust. I didn't trust their conclusions, long before this glaring error arrived. They couldn't believe that as smart as they were that they could be wrong. Over and over, wrong. I'm now seeking either someone who knows jack or someone who is entitled to trust.

I trust about 10 people in this blog, and that's an amazingly high number of people who I think are competent. Hence, my return to this blog.

AlleyCat wrote:

I decided to comment on topic.

Oh, alright. Got a friend who just accepted an offer she hates. She was asking 1.2 M, so I'm guessing it's less than 1 M. I'll find out if/when escrow closes. Was the property worth 1 M? I don't know, but I think it was better than most of the properties that JtR was showing at over a mil.

If you can start a home garden too...

sdtfs wrote:

So why is 12 months of inventory a bad thing? I can understand for someone desperate to sell, but for such a large dollar amount purchase, shouldn't housing be "slow"?

Not so good for people (and their mortgage holders) with little or no equity in their houses.

CRimages: Housing: Months-of-Supply and Prices

Edit: Think of the months-supply as the setting on an equity

Slumdog wrote:

Is it a parabolic curve? Show a chart if you have one or point the way.

O god, the slumdog is calling me out - when the movie ( Outsourced) ends, I'll post - but I really deeply do not want to create a math tangent.

HomeGnome wrote:

I never make the cut.

Trust me. Not making this list vaults you way up a bunch of other better lists.

skk wrote:

but I really deeply do not want to create a math tangent.

how about a secant?

sdtfs wrote:

Hey, if we need someone to tell us how to hang upside down and breathe water,...you're our goto guy.

cruel and funny at the same time.
You should come on out to "rolling practice" and watch me swim next to my boat.
After an hour or two of that, we'll go get some

skk wrote:

Slumdog wrote:

Is it a parabolic curve? Show a chart if you have one or point the way.

O god, the slumdog is calling me out - when the movie ( Outsourced) ends, I'll post - but I really deeply do not want to create a math tangent.

All here recognize you know something above average about math (wink). So, show us the jewels. Enjoy the flick.

sdtfs - Hey, if we need someone to tell us how to hang upside down and breathe water,...you're our goto guy.

HomeGnome, you still practising water boarding yourself?

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

how about a secant?

Seek Ant? I missed the Ant Farm thread.

sdtfs wrote:

Seek Ant? I missed the Ant Farm thread.

It's mostly pheromones... sort of like us... we're only around 34 members online, so you didn't totally miss out on the ant farm

sdtfs,

Thank you for responding. It's not that I have a mortgage; it's just that no one is buying and I don't want two houses. I should have moved up north five years ago except I had my father to watch over. I'll be fine. I'll just have to visit the snow and there's plenty of water around here.

poic wrote:

So I'm plum out of luck.

Don't look so glum, plum chum.

AlleyCat wrote:

it's just that no one is buying and I don't want two houses

I bid one deeeeeluxe GnomeMade cupcake!
with sprinkles.

Danny MacAskill - One amazing talent

Gnome check out the down-hill reverse front wheel wheelie at the end

HomeGnome wrote:

You should come on out to "rolling practice" and watch me swim next to my boat.

How many hours does it take to learn how to roll a kayak?

Most of the people I've taught either get in one hour or they don't.

You first get the T-rescue, so you don't have to wet exit. Then, you observe people who know how to roll. Then, you either get it or you don't.

But in any case, you don't swim next to your boat. I've taught people this rolling technique in still water and white water. It doesn't make any difference. Same technique.

I wonder what mp meant by "it will become clear in a few weeks"...

poic wrote:

Gnome check out the down-hill reverse front wheel wheelie at the end

Dude, totally
Amazing control.

Rich, what's the the second time you've smacked someone down for being open about learning a new technique? How about just applaud gnome for coming on to this board and being self deprecating about something he's working on.

Slumdog wrote:

The charts are sortable; they repeat as theme and variation; they show high probability outcomes when certain, rare to the living human being, but not rare over time, patterns appear. Chart patterns are different in different market settings, the reason for which I have no clue; For the two I'm interested in, DJIA and AU, there are clearly repeating patterns. So, I watch for them.

Yes, the debate will live on forever:

The Random Walk and the Efficient Market Hypothesis versus Trend Analysis...

But, beyond that, a good analyst understands the weaknesses of charts, just as he understands the weaknesses of the underlying assumptions that are made. My introductory analysis instructor, who mentored several doctorate students over his 40 years as a professor, made it very clear: hand waiving is not allowed.

In Sacramento, the > $350k houses are chasing the market UP. It seems to me that the low end corrected, while the higher end didn't. My guess is that the banks are holding on to the more expensive homes and letting go the cheaper ones. I can't explain it any other way.

RockyR wrote:

I wonder what mp meant by "it will become clear in a few weeks"...

IMO it's only a question of what cracks first. Never have so many financial/economic sectors been so priced beyond perfection.

rich wrote:

you don't swim next to your boat.

Quite the authoritarian aren't we?

As a single woman, Wright has no second income to fall back on if she makes a bad financial decision, such as buying a home that plummets in value.

Huh? Don't you have to qualify for the mortgage based on the current value of the house! Who writes this crap.

OH OK wrote:

But, beyond that, a good analyst understands the weaknesses of charts, just as he understands the weaknesses of the

Have to agree. I do a lot of work with control charts, and much less work with fuzzy logic systems (which are more fun because to me they are bright shiny and new). Trends in control charts identified by computers can only at best alert the analyst "hey, look here something interesting happened." In reverse, fuzzy logic systems really only work well when you have human experts telling you what to look for, and how to react. At the end of the day humans remain some of the best analyzing tools out there, and despite all our known flaws (emotion,bias etc.) we still beat the pants off of just about any computer modeling system.

rich<

Do you roll your yak wearing a pointy red hat?
I think not.

curious wrote:

Wright has no second income to fall back on if she makes a bad financial decision,

Of course there is. Who hasn't heard of Wright Model B?

And when the job-seekers finally adjust their income expectations, that will really adjust the aggregate demand

Which I imagine will be released by the press as an unexpected adjustment in aggregate demand.

*He said it is something he will never forget. *

That's great to hear!

TJ and The Bear wrote:

I'd say that was excellent advice and a totally cool move by dryfly himself.

I agree.
A job well done, dryfly.

Well... In the real world, I'm seeing a huge uptick in open job opportunities, renewed tightness in the tech labor markets... Hell, people are talking about bonuses again. One firm I spoke with recently was carping on about how far behind they were on their hiring goals.

This Keynesian debt binge is still having some positive influence...

yagij wrote:

*What is really, really depressing is that I missed out on the last thread!
*

You've obviously never been to The Cupcake Bar!

Are you trying to me? I'm fine with that. I did start out on topic until HG got me thinking about cupcakes...

yagij wrote:

like you are crazy or senile.

I'm getting an early start on both.
I think.
Sometimes I like to eat my belly button lint

RockyR wrote:

Hell, people are talking about bonuses again. One firm I spoke with recently was carping on about how far behind they were on their hiring goals.

We still get pretty nice referral bonuses, and there's talk of retention bonuses. They throw salary at you and you can't leave for two years. Ow! Ow! Twist my arm! The way I look at it, a retention bonus is a nice hedge against getting laid off during that time.

dryfly wrote:

Made ME want to puke the way he described it

The last time I puked was mountain biking.
I feel his pain.

*Is it that, or just companies looking for better efficiency (i.e., even lower costs) through better information technology? *

Not sure on R's perspective, but in my area what I'm seeing a lot of is SOA style rollouts (tieing multiple legacy DB's together rather than build one big ERP), analytics data mining, and/or cloud computing.All three of those have fairly good ROI's to current costs, and you aren't buying the uncertainities of real people (Congress seems to be more keen on adding uncertainty to hiring labor than investing in technology).

OH OK wrote:

The problem is separating a true analyst from the person who lies with numbers.

Only when we don't let companies fail.

Wrightwood Real Estate & Wrightwood Homes For Sale — Trulia.com

We can expect 4 of these to sell per month, ~3 years inventory.

chapel_of_words wrote:

and much less work with fuzzy logic systems (which are more fun because to me they are bright shiny and new).

fuzzy logic systems create fractals. when you chart the fractals you will find the chaos point. The chaos point will show you when the trend is about to change. At least that is the way it works in physics.

dryfly wrote:

HomeGnomewHoremoan?

Gnomie don't play that.

dryfly,

That was great advice for your youngest! I grew up on summer outdoor and winter indoors teams. I still love swimming. I advised my college aged fritters to volunteer and my sister with a pool to hold free swimming lessons.

OH OK wrote:

But, beyond that, a good analyst understands the weaknesses of charts, just as he understands the weaknesses of the underlying assumptions that are made. My introductory analysis instructor, who mentored several doctorate students over his 40 years as a professor, made it very clear: hand waiving is not allowed.

This "game" is not one of assuming much risk. Trend reversals and trend extensions are recognizable. There's no rule that dictates that all patterns be traded. In fact, it's the opposite. Doing nothing is doing the right thing most of the time.

That foolish kid who's living in his parents Malibu digs and who's day trading is just that, naive and waiting to lose. Markets are not waterfalls of chocolate or sugar in which one bathes. They're rarely predictable, and when they are, there's the minor problem of holding a position irrespective of what it does in the shorter term than the one in which the position is taken.

I've no idea how anything other than what I believe I know in fact operates, and it won't matter. The dog holds a bone. No matter what is offered that's more attractive, no matter if the squirrel comes dashing by, the bone dudn't get dropped. When the numbers, percentages are met, it's goodbye bone. That's all there is to say.

chapel_of_words wrote:

Not sure on R's perspective, but in my area what I'm seeing a lot of is SOA style rollouts (tieing multiple legacy DB's together rather than build one big ERP), analytics data mining, and/or cloud computing.

Same here, all with the goal of identifying costs and reducing them.

TJ and The Bear wrote:

Same here, all with the goal of identifying costs and reducing them.

Ayup. I hate to say "pays for itself" becuase like any implementation, done poorly you can just burn a bunch of $$$. But all 3 are a version of improving a known resource, with higher fidelity, at lower cost. SOA ties existing DBs, so you already know they work individually. Analytics mines the same data that you used to average and aggregate into macro, but gives you the micro view. Cloud computing,well it's just a different lower cost of server.

RockyR wrote:

Companies having record profits... Capital investments are being made. Even the houses are selling quickly.

Anecdotal, and not applicable to the broader market.

Dawg, looks like a lot of "wishing prices" in Wrightwood.

chapel_of_words wrote:

Lying analysts will try and tell you what will happen.

I thought it was the actuaries that know we are going to die?

Slumdog wrote:

This "game" is not one of assuming much risk.

I didn't say anything about risk. I mentioned the underlying assumptions.

greenchutes wrote:

Well, not chocolate. It just looks like chocolate.

Wrap it in cellophane and sell it - no one will know until they unwrap it - that's how modern markets work dotcha know.

Skk are you channeling the duke tonight?

skk wrote:

as we sat in the Avery Brewery at lunch

Might it be that the lunch extended through the early evening as well?

Well, hot usually means "destined to be cold". I remember kicking myself back in '06 that I hadn't gotten a realtor license and flipped houses in hot parts of southern california as a hobby '00-'05. Timing is everything.

::shrug::

OK

Slumdog wrote:

Might it be that the lunch extended through the early evening as well?

cheap shot! ( of what though ). The point of the lunch story, since you missed it, is to introduce some excellent texts about odds/gambling by THE MAN - Edward Thorp - to YOU - you should read his book "Beat the Dealer" . But in your rush for a cheap shot you missed it. S'ok.

poic wrote:

Anyways I actually had Professor Cook as my teacher for that course.

Yahh I replied to it - Guess you went offline ( or kcoop's content management system is screwed up ).

ldmeier wrote:

Recently he cut the price of his Chicago place in half.

Anything over a few mil that doesn't include substantial land is priced mostly by ego, not any really measurable fundamentals. Most people that could afford those homes still can, however the psychology has changed.

Yes, but can they afford to experience late '08 again, and the anxiety of considering that their great-great-grandchildren might need to work? No. A few million here, a few million there, it adds up.

Rents declining and the water keeps going further over their head.

Sinking further below the waves until cash-for-keys looks attractive.

HomeGnome - 66F and the windows are open.

That would be nice. I can't wait for our cooler nights.
I just finished all the choirs of racking, etc.
Racked the blueberry cyster and had around wine glasses left to measure, and drink. I have had two glasses and had to lay down and chill for a while.
Right now it is sitting at 16% ABV. So much for going out tonight.

skk wrote:

Slumdog wrote:

Might it be that the lunch extended through the early evening as well?

cheap shot! ( of what though Smile ). The point of the lunch story, since you missed it, is to introduce some excellent texts about odds/gambling by THE MAN - Edward Thorp - to YOU - you should read his book "Beat the Dealer" . But in your rush for a cheap shot you missed it. S'ok.

My ex had a photographic mind and an IQ of 150, and discussed doing that, 21, for a living after leaving the corporate world. I thought it a bore, and it was a job that ate time like nobody's biz. Instead, I just wanted another dreamer who'd execute my enlightenments as the income exceeds theirs and goes on long after one retires, assuming competent mgt can be secured, an issue I'll address in 1 year. There are the risks of getting booted from the tables, too. I would have been on the side, extending my lunch sort'a the way I imagine you did.

I knew the name was familiar.

skk, keep colorado cold. outta here for the nite. thx for the book reco.

Kauai_Kahuna wrote:

Now on a popular mime view, is this fear level, or more towards capitulation?

IMHO it's still fear. We won't see capitulation until the (so-called) has really taken hold. Since it's already September, I'd say that would be early next year.

UMDan - KK, what was the cyser recipe?

Email message has been sent, I really like the postings on homebrew talk mead section, as well as the recipe section.

Mead Forum - Home Brew Forums

TJ and The Bear wrote:

Methinks that wasn't far to go. Wink

Just tumble outta bed.. - Nahh I had one in the freezer quickly cooling down 50 minutes ago - I was going to just move it into the fridge, but wtf.. its Bank Holiday w/e.

Documentary recommendation: "The Business of Being Born"
The Business of Being Born

One small example: When a baby is born, it instantly needs a bunch of tests. You'd think this might be covered in the $33k of costs... but no, the baby now has her own insurance and deductible, which you have not met!!! Still getting bills.

Jonathan wrote:

Documentary recommendation: "The Business of Being Born"
The Business of Being Born

Interesting. I'm reading the review of this documentary in the NYTimes - nothing about the accounting /price aspects in there - it reads more like a passionate argument in favor of home births ( starring Rikki Lake no less ) -

“The Business of Being Born” is a passionate ground-level examination of home childbirth, anchored in a scene in which its executive producer, Ricki Lake, the actress and former talk-show host, gives birth to her second child in a bathtub.

Movie Review -
The Business of Being Born - American Motherhood and the Question of Home Birth - NYTimes.com

That's how I'd present that documentary.

skk wrote:

life( debt) begins at birth no?

You guys keep reminding me why I have a dog instead of a kid.

Comrade Kristina - The American Dream...

Evening, you just got off a closing shift?

Did I miss something in this piece?

The ONE key piece of data I'd like to have about this property is its monthly rental price but I don't see that #. There might be no clearer indication of the home's value than what it could command as a rental property. It's not asking too much for reporters to do a simple bit of data analysis like that.

For Oahu, HI a couple of days ago I mentioned that Realitytrac seems to have greatly jumped a couple of days ago in the pending foreclosures, they had been falling behind. Now the jump has gone from 1,019 to 1,846. Not dogging on that site, I like the fact that they do present the data, and try to keep up.
I just keep wondering what the real reality is. While the pending foreclosures dramatically increased, there was almost no change to default numbers. From 288, to 285.
They now list 1,246 REO's. Yet doing a search on the Oahu MLS for all active, pending, in escrow, and sold in the last twelve months only shows 586 listings.
I think the law is that all REO's must be sold by a realitor, so I'm either thinking there is a 50% shadow inventory, or a lot of pocket listings have happened and kept off the books. In any case, the numbers are numbing, and it just screams that something stinks in the state of paradise.
If these numbers are correct, the number of distressed properties have just jumped up to as high a percentage as the outer islands except for the Big Island.
I need more

skk, sorry twin's and triplets, etc are statistical outliers and should be removed from the data set.

Kauai_Kahuna wrote:

skk, sorry twin's and triplets, etc are statistical outliers and should be removed from the data set

Don't forget premies. A coworker's daughter was born wayyyy too early -- under 2 pounds -- and went on to incur costs approaching a million dollars. Luckily both husband & wife had excellent insurance that covered virtually everything.

Regarding competitive swimming upthread - sorry to see endurance/teardown workouts persist. It's impressively hard to do, generates decent performance - else it wouldn't be around - but far from optimum. That's a lot of pain for fair-to-good results.

Obama to Pitch Making Research Tax Credit Permanent - NY Times

A group of corporations recently told Senate leaders they would accept an end to some of the tax breaks protecting overseas profits in return for other incentives, notably the research credit.

“The R&D tax credit creates high-wage American jobs,” the United States Chamber of Commerce says on its Web site, because at least 70 percent of the tax benefits are attributable to salaries for those doing the research, and only research done in the United States is eligible.

This sounds shockingly sensible... What's the catch?

alkaloids wrote:

This sounds shockingly sensible.

A group of corporations recently told Senate leaders they would accept an end to some of the tax breaks protecting overseas profits in return for other incentives, notably the research credit.

---This is a little backward don't you think?

gomer wrote:

Just wait until November when the federal purse strings tighten

I wouldn't hold my breath.
Team Red and Team Blue of the Dumbass League are good at spending our money.

Chasing illiquidity isn't what it used to be...

YouTube - Woodsy Owl 1977 TV public service announcement

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

but who ever thinks that you are going to get in an head-on collision?

You're numero UNO, Cal.
It's not in the pipeline.

I told you about derivative fields,
You know the place where nothing is real
Well here's another place you can go
Where excrement flows.
Looking through their loan-backed tulips
To see how the other half lives
Looking through a glass onion.

I told you about Wall*Street and the G-men
You know that they're as close as can be-man.
Well here's another clue for you all,
The losses were appalling
Standing with the cast of Jersey Shore-yeah,
Lady Ga Ga trying to make ends meet-yeah.
Looking through a glass onion.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
Looking through a glass onion.

I told you about the fools on the hill,
I tell you man they're living there still.
Well here's another place you can be,
Listen to me.

Fixing a hole in the ocean
Trying to make a political point-yeah
Looking through a glass onion

YouTube - The Beatles Glass Onion (2009 Stereo Remaster)

but far from optimum.

So says the current research. You risk conditions like chronic fatigue. Also, try to find a pro squash player over 55 with workable knees and hips. They made the matches shorter in several steps starting in the late 80's, but until then the training was 'as many 400's at top speed as you could do, with the shortest intervals, as often as you could'...

Swimmers and bikers don't get hit with the impact, but can still overtrain.

HomeGnome wrote:

Team Red and Team Blue of the Dumbass League are good at spending our money.

Good Morning. I just read an article about how one of the political parties might need to redirect some of their millions in campaign funds towards candidates who might have a hope of winning their particular district this upcoming election. The party that this involved is unimportant, as this practice is commonplace. The billions of dollars spent on our elections from top to bottom illustrate the importance of the outcome of the races. Most of this money hasn't been "donated" for reasons of "common good", but given specifically for a payback that will reach ten, a hundredfold, a thousandfold, or more dollars of return. Because of the liberal (read: overly allowable) interpretation of what constitutes a campaign contribution and 'who/what' can give it, these local and national races end up being 'horse shows' with most of the attention directed towards the competitors' lack of form, marginal breed-lines, and 'mental health challenges', with or without revisionist history practices. This demonstration will not change nor get better - I'd bet on "the under". After spending the day with my physically emancipated (highly intelligent, idealistic, immensely artistic 19-year old butt-sitter) son, knowing today's 20-year old is yesterdays 12-year old, today's 'educated' collegiate is yesterday's eighth grader, things will undoubtedly continue to degrade. The only people I find that disagree are the 20-year olds, the people who can't distinguish the working end of a yard rake, and the certifiably insane. The lack of substance in their arguments and the use of 6-second TV/motion picture sound byte quotes as justification and answers for everything is deadening. When a young individual can recite page after page of dialog for some particular motion picture he/she has seen umpteen times, but not figure out what the percentage of 5/8ths is or count change from a dollar purchase, we're in BIG trouble.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

Also, try to find a pro squash player over 55 with workable knees and hips. They made the matches shorter in several steps starting in the late 80's, but until then the training was 'as many 400's at top speed as you could do, with the shortest intervals, as often as you could'...
Swimmers and bikers don't get hit with the impact, but can still overtrain.

The greatest of all time in earnings:
Greatest of All Time by Peter Struck - Roundtable | Lapham’s Quarterly

I see I missed some more market charting lessons overnight. Bummer that.

BSR,

Youth must be served, and I suggest in a nice plum sauce.

Hey gnome,
Not sure where in SC you are but we stumbled across a pretty nice place to eat while on vacation near Charleston.

Fat Hen - Johns Island, SC

If you are ever over that way you might want to check it out.

LOL.......

HomeGnome wrote:

Team Red and Team Blue of the Dumbass League are good at spending our money.

Just think of all the Tea Party lobbyists swooping into town to get big pieces of those spending cutbacks that might be made to programs for the poor, plus all the lobbyists pouring in to protect them. Real estate slump? No way! Real estate boom is more likely. Professional parasites of all persuasions won't blow a chance like that. They'll be hitting town in droves.