Hey great CR. This may go towards my understanding of how many people are "unemployed" for 40, 60, 80, 100 weeks.

Meantime:

flaminia wrote:

Let us know when you're finished skk. The summary's characterization of the causation for Turing's suicide sounds so grotesquely off-base.

OK done part 2 - and memo to myself to add a review in IMDB.

The naughty bits first - the presenter David Malone is a handsome man - if that helps gals to watch it, cool.
The suicide bit 3/4 - they claim 3 out of 4. so Godel by self starvation, Turing by (self{?})-poisoned apple - poisoned with cyanide ( didn't say which one - I might go to the National Archives in Kew on my next trip there - to see WHICH cyanide ) - but wow.. apple/Eve/Adam geddit ?
Rob Dawg's discussion of Turing's chemical castration - with consent AFAIK, after conviction for - is of course right. But did the estrogen really "cause" his suicide ? I mean, I can just imagine my wife saying, as she watches it, huh so blame it on the women huh ?Or my other friend, who goes - "You MEN!" Smile

The math on Godel and Turing was disappointing ( to me ). He didn't mention " in any system of math" about godel till right at the very end. On Turing he didn't use the word algorithm ONCE - it was all computers, machines.. yet the Turing machine( /concept) was ENTIRELY virtual. Auntie Beeb ( BBC ) is usually pretty careful. I'll defer to the math historians - maybe the makers are using the words/concepts that were used at that time. Or I might get off my ass and chase this.

gonna go swim with the fishes...

skk,

Jim Holt on Turing, if you're inclined:

Code-Breaker : The New Yorker

yagij wrote:

More than 1/8 of all Americans are on food support. Hoocoodanode that the numbers are getting so large?

I'm really interested to see how long this will go on without something snapping.

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Tasty

Only a real 'merican would eat that which was giving 'em free skittles...

yagij wrote:

OT: I don't care if ZH moved the legend around and played with the formatting, but don't be plagiarizing

Who's ZH?

Rob Dawg wrote:

Is raising for transportation manufacturing and for eating agriculture?

GDP likes this idea. But them ain't ridin' s an' eatin' s, they's TRADIN' s...

JD: The book has a faulty premise, that we believe we are the class we then are. There are folks like me, rags to fabricating them. You're casting your own thoughts on others; they've zero to do with enough of the minority as to be musings, but fall more in the Beck-Palin way of perceiving reality.

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

GDP likes this idea. But them ain't ridin' s an' eatin' s, they's TRADIN' s...

So skittles are kinda like quarterly dividends?

Rob Dawg wrote:

So skittles are kinda like quarterly dividends?

Rob Dawg wrote:

So skittles are kinda like quarterly dividends?

Hopefully more frequent dispersement than that, or I pity the poor ...

km4 wrote:

One in six Americans receive gov't aid

That means five out of six contribute it, right?

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

People forget that unemployment was very high through most of the early 1980s unless you were in the top couple percent....that was the joy of Reaganism.

Then , like now, the point was to drive down wages to increase profitability and US competitiveness globally. A reserve army of unemployed does tend to increase productivity and suppress wage demands.

Rajesh wrote:

Join the American Revaluation.

... and many are.

Rajesh wrote:

America has a long 'honey do' list, we need to roll up our sleeves and checking some items off.

With so much demand pulled forward, I'm not clear what is on the list. Can you clarify?

Rob Dawg wrote:

"Join." I do not think that word means what you think it means.

LOL. Yes, that was rather Orwellian wasn't it? But "Be conscripted into" doesn't sloganize so well.

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

With so much demand pulled forward, I'm not clear what is on the list. Can you clarify?

My list in order:
Energy Independence
Miscellaneous

Rob Dawg wrote:

Join the American Revaluation.
... and many are.
"Join." I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Conscription by lower wages. Drafted by forclosure.

Rob Dawg wrote:

Energy Independence

To be more specific, cut the dollar value of petroleum imports in to the U.S. by half within ten years.

Rob Dawg wrote:

Energy Independence

3 Billion a WEEK might go a long way toward that rather than pissing our money into the sands of the M.E.
COSTOFWAR.COM - The Cost of War

OT Science news stuff:

African children have better gut flora because they eat the occasional termite.
.

Rob Dawg wrote:

Energy Independence
Miscellaneous

I just spent the weekend working on an unspecified renewable energy deal in Mexico to sell power across the border to California. Let me tell you.....no matter where it is......there is no money for it unless the government directly funds it.

km4 wrote:

weak economy

From the Boston Globe re: monthly tax receipts:
"August tax collections below estimates
Massachusetts has collected $89 million more in taxes during August compared with the same month last year, but that still fell $70 million below the target for the month. Revenue Commissioner Navjeet Bal said preliminary collections totaled about $1.38 billion, up about 6.9 percent from last August. But that wasn’t enough to match the monthly estimate the state needs for its budget. Because the state beat its July estimate by about $78 million, it is still about $8 million ahead of its target for the year. Bal said sales tax collections for August don’t reflect the tax holiday on Aug. 14 and 15, which will be seen in the September numbers. (AP)"

The local paper said inspectors were there for some sort of egg something, but they weren't there to inspect for the thing that needed inspecting, so they didn't say anything. It's not my job. . .

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

there is no money

Where is all that money that was invested in ethanol plants? Do you know what the yield on ten year treasuries is?

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

How did you get them to stay in your mouth?

Kill them first. Actually I bought them dead, food grade covered in chocolate.

greenlander wrote:

rate the market will bear

When that rate is zero, what then?

Dunno about crickets; article mentioned only termites.

More Ot: Lemurs on the pill have less scents. (sic)

HomeGnome wrote:

3 Billion a WEEK might go a long way toward that rather than pissing our money into the sands of the M.E.

That buys 0.8Mw/week of photovoltaics. We need about 15Mw installed to cut the cost of electricity by 2/3rds. 4 months and the US starts saving 8¢/kWh forever.

My dad told me how the Turks at grasshoppers during the Korean War.

Pull the legs off, place on very hot rock next to the fire. When they boil inside and pop, eat them. The pop will tell you they have gotten hot enough to kill any parisites.

I have had store bought teriyaki grasshoppers. They still had the legs on them and you had to bite them first to manage to eat them easily.

Rob Dawg wrote:

That buys 0.8Mw/week of photovoltaics. We need about 15Mw installed to cut the cost of electricity by 2/3rds. 4 months and the US starts saving 8¢/kWh forever.

Let's call it a Peace Dividend...

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

That results from a government mandate for fuel blends. Most wind and solar deals don't pencil at the moment without a tax credit, loan guarantees, and boatloads of other subsidies.

I concur - caught a copy of a prospectus circulating here for investment in a small wind farm -- 30% or more of the total funding is contingent on government grant money. Ethanol was the same way, though, and I hear there were some sweet dividends paid out for a while. Transfer payments from the government are the new reality.

Rob Dawg wrote:

week of photovoltaics.

Solar Thermal, not photovoltaics. The business model of deploying huge amounts of capital just to produce electricity is broken. We need to use solar to enable high temperature chemistry. Lots of chemical processes will make economic sense once we make high temperature reaction chambers rented by the hour cheap.

Renewable gasoline helps energy independence. More electricity (which is already cheap and going to get cheaper) doesn't help.

Rob Dawg wrote:

That buys 0.8Mw/week of photovoltaics. We need about 15Mw installed to cut the cost of electricity by 2/3rds. 4 months and the US starts saving 8¢/kWh forever.

Go ahead, get that through Congress. You'd be my hero forever.

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Ethanol was the same way, though I hear there were some sweet dividends paid out for a while.

"Honey? What's that big silver tanker doing parked in the driveway?"

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

Go ahead, get that through Congress. You'd be my hero forever.

maybe we should help, then we all get to be heros.

Rob Dawg wrote:

"Honey? What's that big silver tanker doing parked in the driveway?"

I think it's a collapse-surviving business though -- post-Rapture, we can convert them to cheap mass-produced alcohol mash.

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

Go ahead, get that through Congress. You'd be my hero forever.

Already on the docket for the first legislative session of Dawgress.

lawyerliz wrote:

The local paper said inspectors were there for some sort of egg something, but they weren't there to inspect for the thing that needed inspecting, so they didn't say anything. It's not my job. . .

That amused me - sorry, but this shit does - else it would drive me nuts.

Two former workers at Wright County Egg facilities, Robert and Deanna Arnold, said they reported problems such as leaking manure and dead chickens to USDA employees, but nothing was done.
...
Part of the issue is that the FDA and the USDA split responsibility for egg-laying operations, with the FDA overseeing areas where hens lay eggs and the USDA in charge of the eggs as they are packaged.

They complained to the wrong guys ! Honestly this reminds me so much of the shit that goes on with Indian bureaucracy - my specialty if the Indian Railways administration. I think I might post direct analogs from the Indian bureaucracy side every time I see such stuff in the US; like I did yesterday on the uncanny resemblance between the whining/threatening/cajoling that is going on for the requested bailout of the Kabul Bank and what went on( still goes on ) here in the US during TARP.

Rob Dawg wrote:

Of course all the big projects are point source. That's the only way to retain control.

Or obtain economies of scale.

Rob Dawg wrote:

That buys 0.8Mw/week of photovoltaics. We need about 15Mw installed to cut the cost of electricity by 2/3rds. 4 months and the US starts saving 8¢/kWh forever.

Dawg, could you break this down further for me?
Where'd you get your #'s from?

No snark.

HomeGnome wrote:

Dawg, could you break this down further for me?
Where'd you get your #'s from?

Yeah, seriously. Half of America has their own personal Manhattan project for clean energy. I'd like to see one that works with so many people working on it. With so many working on it and so few examples, what does that say about the viability?

HomeGnome wrote:

Where'd you get your #'s from?

Peak demand is about 40000Mw to cover peak loads you'd need about 15000Mw installed capacity. I used $4/w. The peak capacity is the most expensive meaning lopping the top quarter substitutes the cheapest bas loading production. The decreased demand for natgas in particular will drive prices even lower. Cascade effect.

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

what does that say about the viability?

How viable is our addiction to oil?
We're killing ourselves and others over it.

Slumdog,

You are of course correct, we all wear identical Chairman Mao suits and carry the very same little red book, there is no class distinction in our country.

Short and interesting.

You Say Recession, I Say Depression

You Say Recession, I Say Depression: The Difference Between Those Words Is The Key To Recovery | The New Republic

burnside wrote:

In the case of photovoltaics, distributed systems offer various advantages. Chiefly, that economy inheres to the smallholder. At the residential level.

I was modeling a distributed generation system for a city of 40,000 a couple of weeks ago. In order to use PV in the manner you're suggesting, DG mechanisms are required unless you want to have a massive flameout of the current electrical grid. We are really a long, long way from that in the US. Europe is in a much better position.

HomeGnome wrote:

How viable is our addiction to oil?
We're killing ourselves and others over it.

I agree fully, but how has that addiction changed our behavior?

How about we put our returning GI's to work installing PV panels folks?

Talk about a revolution!

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

People forget that unemployment was very high through most of the early 1980s unless you were in the top couple percent....that was the joy of Reaganism.

We in flyover knew - this bust still isn't as harsh as the 'Reagan Boom' - where you is is where you stand.

In a moment of weakness, I watched the Nightly Business Report last night. In their story on, "employers who can't find enough workers," they found a guy in New York who can't hire enough skilled manufacturing workers to keep his robots going 24/7, or "good" accountants who knew manufacturing accounting.

The commentator said something about a skills mismatch in America, which was true, and the guy was asked why he didn't train. "We're LEAN," is all he had to say. In other words, he can't afford to train -- or doesn't want to take a salary cut for a while to train his own workers. He has to match the Chinese on price.

I just had to ask myself: how does this guy vote? Would he be willing to pay higher personal taxes to have government train the workers he needs, that he's unwilling to train himself? Or does he just expect them to appear out of the air after a period in time when only people steered away from manufacturing because the jobs were being exported overseas by American business?

josap wrote:

You Say Recession, I Say Depression

You say 'cyclical' I say 'structural' ... would be a better way of them putting it.

I'm taking a wild stab at it, but i'd guess we use 1000x the amount of all the whale oil ever used, everyday in petroleum oil.

I don't understand this focus on employment... I was under the impression that if we just gave the banks enough of our money to keep them lending it back to us with a large enough volume, marketable products would spring up by themselves, resulting in sustainable high-value jobs.

HomeGnome wrote:

Talk about a revolution!

You meant this I'm sure:

Don't you know you're talking about a revolution
It sounds like a whisper
Don't you know they're talking about a revolution
It sounds like a whisper

While they're standing in the welfare lines
Crying at the doorsteps of those armies of salvation
Wasting time in unemployment lines
Sitting around waiting for a promotion

Don't you know you're talking about a revolution
It sounds like a whisper

Poor people are gonna rise up
And get their share
Poor people are gonna rise up
And take what's theirs
....

Tracy Chapman - Talkin' Bout A Revolution Lyrics

YouTube - talking about a revolution (tracy chapman)

Yeah yeah.. its just singing - perhaps..

Yep. 10x as many people?

Bob Dobbs wrote:

The commentator said something about a skills mismatch in America, which was true, and the guy was asked why he didn't train. "We're LEAN," is all he had to say. In other words, he can't afford to train -- or doesn't want to take a salary cut for a while to train his own workers. He has to match the Chinese on price.

Naked Capitalism had a similar article on IT. In that industry, there no longer exists an entry-level workforce in the US because it has all been outsourced to India. You are expected to graduate from school and instantly be a mid-level employee. I frankly felt that in real estate development. This is expecting of me in a firm I consult to. No training and going from 0 to 5 years experience is the mandate of the American economy.

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

WebHome < SmartGrid < TWiki

THANKS for that link.
I think I;m going to be learning a lot.

HomeGnome wrote:

Bob Dobbs wrote:
Would he be willing to pay higher personal taxes to have government train the workers he needs, that he's unwilling to train himself? Or does he just expect them to appear out of the air after a period in time when only people steered away from manufacturing because the jobs were being exported overseas by American business?
shhh, Jersey Shore is on.
and then American Idle...

I know so many people like that guy it isn't even funny.

Here's his dilemma - if he doesn't train them no one else will - if he does train them, it costs him a lot of money and his competition then steals them away [using the money they didn't spend on training to pay higher wages]. There is no win for him.

As for 'lean' - that could mean lightly staffed even dirt floor or it could mean the specific mfg philosophy mostly associated with early years at Toyota [the famous 'TPS'] and now called 'Lean Mfg'. If the latter then he definitely needs well trained workforce.

burnside wrote:

Slumdog, in the relativistic world you describe there are no standards. Seems to me.

Unfortunately, we're all just passing through; talk to the dinosaurs.
However, while here, ethics and clear communication are essential. Ethics or else we're back to self-help.

dryfly wrote:

As for 'lean' - that could mean lightly staffed even dirt floor or it could mean the specific mfg philosophy mostly associated with early years at Toyota [the famous 'TPS'] and now called 'Lean Mfg'. If the latter then he definitely needs well trained workforce.

I'm no expert; I've walked factory floors without knowing much what I was seeing. But he'd just spent half-a-mill on new robots and the joint was jumping. So I think he was talking skills. They mentioned that he paid above-average wages without specifying what the average was based on.

That said, the central fact remains: if manufacturers won't train the workforce, then the evil can't-do-anything-right can't-get-it-off-your-back government has to do it. From what you say, Dryfly, we've more than reached the limits of the Reaganite "every man for himself" economy.

Slumdog wrote:

However, while here, ethics and clear communication are essential. Ethics or else we're back to self-help.

Nicely put. I won't tease about the purloined crockery. Just puzzled how to square it with your real views, above.

BTW as for training and outsourcing - both India & China train a HUGE number of entry level people... its like backing a manure spreader up to face a wall and turning it on and hoping some of it sticks and some of it does. But that doesn't mean there isn't a mountain of shit left on the floor.

That's a tough situation to be in - for their people and their society - I don't envy them. But that is the environment American firms compete against.

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

Part of the problem with bringing smart grids online is the sheer bureaucracy of creating the standards and technology for it. I track it for a company I consult to. Check it out at NIST's collaboration website.

WebHome < SmartGrid < TWiki

The slow pace of work is absolutely maddening.

I don't think innovation works that way - In IT, I have XML /SOAP bloat as a current example and how right now its being blown away by JSON / REST, 8/10 years ago its how 802.11b just came out of nowhere for home-level wireless computer connectivity. 20 years ago its how TCP/IP blew away OSI.

100 years ago - its how the Wright brothers beat up the officially backed attempts - or also how the solo X-atlantic flight by Lindbergh ( whatever his politics ) beat the much richer competition . These last items are well described in, perhaps, dryfly country - OshKosh - great EAA museum here; yeah this is a plug - for that and for another America.

FDIC in Kabul? Or is it TARP?

U.S. to Help Bail Out Afghan Bank to Avert a Crisis - NY Times

Bob Dobbs wrote:

But he'd just spent half-a-mill on new robots and the joint was jumping.

I'd have to see the example - you can spend a half mil on robots before lunch and still not have a lot of robot. It just depends.

@josap wrote on Sat, 9/4/2010 - 11:54 am
Short and interesting.
You Say Recession, I Say Depression: The Difference Between Those Words Is The Key To Recovery | The New Republic

I agree with title but thought article was rather trite because it misses some key points

• Fed and Treasury are out of bullets
• The Economy Still Sucks
• Government stimulus spending has not produced tangible results
• We have 2 party pimp system for corporatocracy and after Nov 2 elections it going to get even fuglier for most Mericans

longtimelurker wrote:

U.S. to Help Bail Out Afghan Bank to Avert a Crisis - NY Times

LOL.....OMFG.....what did I say in the last post, guaranteeing a bailout?

Oh HELL yes.

josap wrote:

Why fight the majority, too many people smarter than I can't get it done.

Don't listen to the terrorist!

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

OMFG.....what did I say in the last post, guaranteeing a bailout?

Oh HELL yes.

Whomever is working this deal from Treasury is a traitor to the Citizens of the United States of America.

skk wrote:

OK done part 2 - and memo to myself to add a review in IMDB.

Thanks skk. It sounds like it starts out strong and then peters out a bit. Does the doco purport to make any connection between brilliant mathematicians and suicide?

And if I didn't do so before I must thank whoever it was who posted the link to the BBC doco on Edward Bernays last weekend. It was riveting, especially when related to the 24/7 media manipulation that is the unremarked standard today in the "western world."

km4 wrote:

Government stimulus spending has not produced tangible results

Results are quite tangible, just not lasting.

Cisco to buy wireless smart grid firm
| Reuters
Cisco Forges Smart Grid Alliance With Power Metering Vendor Itron

Disclosure: I own Cisco shares.

HomeGnome wrote:

OMFG.....what did I say in the last post, guaranteeing a bailout?
Oh HELL yes.
Whomever is working this deal from Treasury is a traitor to the Citizens of the United States of America.

Sorry....forget about the national borders/traitor thing. They (US and Afghan banking elite) are on the same side, and we oppose them. WE are their enemies.

Rajesh wrote:

Cisco to buy wireless smart grid firm
| Reuters
Cisco Forges Smart Grid Alliance With Power Metering Vendor Itron
Disclosure: I own Cisco shares.

That is a big bet on smart grids actually happening.

Groan.

I hope we get a slice of the opium crop as collateral.

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HomeGnome wrote:

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you cannot erase the trace of HomeGnomePheromone

@skk wrote on Sat, 9/4/2010 - 12:39 pm (in reply to...)
I posted links couple days ago with message CIA needs to make sure it has a money laundering operation ( bailout of the Kabul Bank ) for the herion trade so they can continue to run black ops.

Maybe Sheila was on temporary assignment in Kabul the last two weeks.

flaminia wrote:

Thanks skk. It sounds like it starts out strong and then peters out a bit. Does the doco purport to make any connection between brilliant mathematicians and suicide?

They had this clinical psychologist coming in and talking every so often - I tuned him out ( denial ) - but in that sense, but in a very low-key and cerebral and non-shlock-horror or crappy Deepak Chopra way.So yeah I guess it got airplay. I'll let somebody in that field describe it. Like I said I mostly tuned it out.

rob dawg - part of the confusion in your solar argument is that you wrote Mw but meant Gw. I think you carried that through all your calcs, including national consumption, so your argument holds.

But then again, what's a factor of 1000 among friends.

I want to know how many teachers in America we are going to fire so we can bail out a foreign bank.

picosec wrote:

But then again, what's a factor of 1000 among friends.

How does it affect his calculations, picosec?
Four months vs. Four thousand months?

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

I'm just thinking of all of the bankers that don't give a shit about the comment you just made.

I"m not.
Fuck those folks.
Their time is coming.

PS. I think your bait might be getting old, FYI.

HomeGnome wrote:

How does it affect his calculations, picosec?
Four months vs. Four thousand months?

Upon further review, my mind is in weekend mode and what I wrote was incorrect.

Apologies all around.

Kim Stanley Robinson: "Economics is the astrology of our time."
because it's funny and so true

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

This was going to happen because Karzai (older brother of President Karzai) is a connected elite, and in the Middle East, the connected elite get bailed out NO MATTER WHAT. It is a face issue, and this is Asia, and you cannot change thousands of years of history. They WILL be bailed out.

Why do you say Middle East ? You think there isn't a connected elite HERE in the USofA ?And they are entirely discrete elites ? Why is the USA (elite) Treasury bailing out a Kabul bank ? ( yup the Dubai connection and the earlier reference to BCCI has to thrown into the mix) And stringing the face issue, and this is Asia to that is just trying to put it THERE, in some random stream of consciousness phrasing, when its also right HERE, in yer face.

Doc Holiday wrote:

Use fresh bait ... ever think about that?

Yes, but that's usually after my "friends" have covered me in chicken blood, tied me up, hung a flailing rabbit around my neck and thrown me in the gator pond.

HomeGnome wrote:

PS. I think your bait might be getting old, FYI.

The bait has a point....I like to read a lot of history from the 1930s and 40s, and it is interesting to see the comments made about the "international finance cartel" by both the Nazis and Soviets. If the current regime doesn't figure out something to do with these clowns and stop making people feel powerless, a group of people will empower some extremist government somewhere that will. Nobody expected the current regimes in Germany in the 1920s and in Russia in the early 1900s a decade later.

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

The bait has a point

I know that it does as you're one of the more thoughtful posters here, IMO.

Beck/ Palin 2012.

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

they seem to run this place.

Appearances can be deceiving.
You're welcome.

Bill and Ken run this joint.

pythia wrote:

I've gotten the same info from 3 different suppliers, so I suspect it is a requirement by the big power companies.

Ding ding....this is correct. If you live in California, anyways.

Told to me by a former SoCal Edison employee when were trying to do solar on the Tustin Air Base site a few years ago.

Hard to believe that was just 3 years ago.

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

Glenn Beck will say "I didn't want to run but the people made me do it", just like Idi Amin used to say.

I can see that happening, and it is very scary.

Too many feel helpless and unable to find a way to be heard. Many feel the US, as a coountry, has been screwed over by those in power. If they find a leader that promises to give them back control over thier own lives - they will vote for him or her.

I've said this before:

Pay your credit card bills in full each month,
starve a banker.

Rajesh wrote:

Don't use your credit card each month, starve a banker.

Rajesh wrote:

starve a banker.

==> Revised

1. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
2. Knowledge is the best charity.
3. To learn a lesson is a far better reward than to receive a gift.
4. It is better to know how to help yourself than to beg from others.
5. Give a a match, he shall be warm for a moment. Light a on fire and he shall be warm for the rest of his life.

pythia wrote:

Yet my electrical contractor offered to install a breaker box that would support an emergency generator. If the boxes can support a generator , why can't they handle switching the solar?

They can, but you need an electrician who is creative enough to add an extra switch that cuts the solar power over to the generator port when the grid power fails. Keep in mind that most residential electricians are taught to do everything to code, and only to code. Guess who controls the code.

All you really need to be compliant is an approved box that isolates your local system from the grid.

Rajesh wrote:

which is why it won't happen

Sure it will. The same people talking about hyperinflation now were talking about the housing bubble before. We're a fraction of the overall population, so it's far from "everyone".

Rajesh wrote:

It's the unexpected that has devastating consequences, not the expected.

Both can, if the expected is not taken seriously or not acted upon. The housing bubble could have been stopped in its tracks in 2003. It's not not no one saw it coming, it's that a lot of powerful people made sure that nothing was done to prevent it.

But you knew that.

Rajesh wrote:

Man, I want whatever drugs you are taking. Talk about altered states of consciousness.

I think you may underestimate the number of BBAD in the country.

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

If Beck/Palin can eke it out in the primary, they will win the general election.

My passport is current.

Rajesh wrote:

Man, I want whatever drugs you are taking. Talk about altered states of consciousness.

LOL.....you just put your money behind smart grids. Likewise.

I'll take your money too.

I consult to a company in Texas right now; my client says there is zero chance for smart grids in the US right now. After watching this process over the summer, I believe him so far.

I could be proven wrong on this, but the utilities have extraordinary political power. This is the driving force in smart grids adaption. Not so in Europe....I think you'll see it happen there. The utilities regulators have a lot more power.

josap wrote:

My passport is current.
Click here to refresh

[/me does quick check] Mine is good for two more years.

HomeGnome wrote:

I think you may underestimate the number of BBAD in the country.

I concur.

The Authoritarians

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

I consult to a company in Texas right now; my client says there is zero chance for smart grids in the US right now. After watching this process over the summer, I believe him so far.

Last Spring, I saw a presentation by a guy whose company is trying to get grid improvements rolling.

He was very frustrated.

And he was clearly ready to resort to politics to get it moving. Preparing presentations, delivering them to any pol they could get access to, etc. And not getting vary far, it seemed.

TJ and The Bear wrote:

they did everything they could to aid it.

Are you a friend of Angelo?

pavel.chichikov wrote:

BBAD?

BBAD | Hoocoodanode?

pavel.chichikov wrote:

BBAD?

Free form Jas speak, Daddy-o.

BBAD to the bone...

pavel.chichikov wrote:

It runs deeper. There's no clear, emergent shape to adapt to.
The core problem.

What do you mean by this, Pavel?

There are still 7000 in [ancient] Israel who do not bend the knee to Baal.

Romney will need a wingnut running mate, at the very least, to appease the religious right ... imo.

flaminia wrote:

Romney will need a wingnut running mate, at the very least, to appease the religious right
Huckabee.

What a pair.

flaminia wrote:

Huckabee.

Am thinking the same.

Maybe Romney/Jindal

flaminia wrote:

Huckabee.

No Sarah? ... but I've got all this .

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Palin

Dude I thought you liked Mama Grizzlies?

Jas has not been arround for a while? Maybe formed his own church and preaching about the evils of BBADs somewhere out there?

LoserBeachBum wrote:

Jas has not been arround for a while? Maybe formed his own church and preaching about the evils of BBADs somewhere out there? Big smile

maybe just a year ahead of his time?

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

BBAD to the bone...

Paulson! What are you doing here, and in which secret offshore detention facility have you hidden JD?

Predictions that might make sense now may not next year or the year after. But we know that.

Right now, Romney-Palin would seem at least plausible. But who knows if Mrs. Palin would accept second place on the ticket again?

Huckabee? I'm a bit of a religious wingnut myself, so as a test subject I might be interestedf. But I don't think he has enough national appeal. Also, His flat tax, get rid of the IRS, is not a realistic proposal.

Get the Pacer out of storage, JD.
We're racing for pink slips.
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pavel.chichikov wrote:

Also, His flat tax, get rid of the IRS, is not a realistic proposal.

But that's VERY appetizing to the current Republican base, pavel. And you know how signature platform positions fade away . . . .

josap wrote:

Adapt or die?

Our darwinistic battle for survival may involve finding a better ideology than darwinism

Rajesh wrote:

If Obama was smart he'd dump the loser and go with Evan Bayh.

Bland squared.

Introduced on April Fools' Day 1970, the AMC Gremlin was six months ahead of its domestic competitors from Ford and GM.

HomeGnome wrote:

the AMC Gremlin was six months ahead of its domestic competitors from Ford and GM.

What, the exploding Pinto and the cylinder-dissolving Vega?

My thinking is Steele will be replaced by Haley and Sarah becomes Atwater, if so, katy bar the door.

Git'er'dun:

Florida’s High-Speed Answer to a Foreclosure Mess - NY Times

Here's the dark horse Republican VP nominee:

J. C. Watts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

EU austerity policies risk civil war in Greece, warns top German economist Dr Sinn - Telegraph
Greece’s austerity measures cannot prevent default and will lead to a breakdown of the political order if continued for long, a leading German economist has warned.

Coming to Merica when

Don't worry, the housing market has bottomed.

Nearly Half of All Listed Homes in August Had Price Cut, Up 3 Percent
From July - MarketWatch

The number of price-reduced homes on the market increased 3.26 percent in August compared to July, according to the latest data from national brokerage ZipRealty (http://www.ziprealty.com) /quotes/comstock/15*!zipr/quotes/nls/zipr (ZIPR 2.64, +0.04, +1.54%) . ZipRealty's monthly review of MLS-listed properties in 26 major markets found that 47 percent of "for sale" homes had at least one price reduction and the average seller actually slashed their list price twice to attract buyers.

The growing number of price-reduced homes outpaced newly listed homes in August, which increased less than one percent, with sellers nationally reducing their asking price by an average of $19,092.

Standard

flaminia wrote:

J.C. was a bit embittered by the last session of shameless tokenism he was subjected to.

Oh, I thought you meant the "other" J.C.

LoserBeachBum wrote:

fags

Doubtful that cigarettes are afraid.

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

LOL. Obama Geithner 2012.

Why not just admit the obvious?

I think that is the issue to push: Geithner and Summers. Sadly, for reasons that I cannot fathom, Obama has put his feet into those concrete galoshes.

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Git'R'Dun

Florida’s High-Speed Answer to a Foreclosure Mess - NY Times

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

A lot of wealthy people paid a lot of good money to create those loopholes.

Too bad, so sad.
Isn't that how we got into this mess, in part?

Slumdog wrote:

sent over for a little meeting with the taliban

They are the Taliban, dude.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

iF yOu eVer wAnT tO sEe dEliNqUent aGaIn, fOlLoW mY iNsTrUcTiOnS, & nO fUnNy bUsInEsS.

RIF wrote:

"700 billion dollars or say goodbye to your little economy!" Sound familiar, Hank?!

Wwwwhaaat isss ttttthiis...

The Ransom of Red Thief?

HomeGnome wrote:

They are the Taliban, dude.

If they were the Taliban or the bankers to the Taliban then we would have won by now. Sadly, they are neither the Taliban nor bankers to the Taliban. They are just bankers.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

The Ransom of Red Thief?

Tales of the wild and wooly west with White thief - the usual suspect who always gets away with it

I was thinking more of this color scheme...

Short Stories: The Ransom of Red Chief by O. Henry

What a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive?