yagij wrote:

Does gov't work count as "working" or just "employed"?

Is there a difference?

FAZ looks real attractive, I mean how low can a stock with strong fundamentals like that can go?

amiramr0 wrote:

Is there a difference?

It depends on what day you catch me, but yes, my output doesn't match my input some days.

At what point can we stop calling this a recovery? Me and my 99er friends can't take much more recovery at this point without blowing our old worn-out gaskets.

Ask your waitress or waiter how many hours a week they're getting now, and try and find one employed a full 40 hours a week, go ahead make my day.

Outsider wrote:

You still eat out?

JD:
.
EDIT: Icepick wrote:

At what point can we stop calling this a recovery? Me and my 99er friends can't take much more recovery at this point without blowing our old worn-out gaskets.

The QA report came back, and it was determined to be a feature, not a bug of the Recovery 2008 application suite.

I'm good for a breakfast once a week @ the local greasy spoon, which has slowed down demonstrably, now that summer's almost gone, and the Euros are nowhere to be seen...

Bubblevision HEADLINE

"Stocks surge on strong jobs report"

PULEEEEEASE!

Exactly MiTurn, people are 'hunkering down'. The equities markets obviously aren't reflective of the natural economics on Main Street-actually have not been for a long time-most people recognize this. So even if someone is in a stable employment situation, obviously the housing markets, jobs markets and the unrecognized inflation in services, non-discretionary spending adds to anxiety in doing any discretionary spending.

Its not just the equities markets that doesn't like uncertainty.

Oh, I left a reply RD in the thread although you can probably guess what I said anyway.

For the record, I have never have ordered a Cheshire off the menu.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

For the record, I have never have ordered a Cheshire off the menu.

What you order ≠ what you are served.

ISM services index fall to 51.5 in August

Again, I reiterate, I have never knowingly dined ala cat.

Elvis wrote:

These (un)employment reports are somewhat depressing, but thankfully I am long on cheese.

This, too, shall pass.

black dog wrote:

You might add that as the 99ers use up all their benefits they'll return to the workforce.

I suspect this effect goes the other way. They have to go through the motions of "being in the workforce" to get the benefits. Once they reach 99 they have the option of dropping out.

Edit: Never mind, Icepick got there first.

yagij wrote:

Does gov't work count as "working" or just "employed"?

Subsidy payment.

The median duration of unemployment dropped from 22.2 weeks to 19.9 weeks. This is the second month in a row with a big drop.

This is good news, if it didn't drop due to people giving up.

St. Louis Fed: Series: UEMPMED, Median Duration of Unemployment

Nanoo-Nanoo wrote:

The equities markets obviously aren't reflective of the natural economics on Main Street-actually have not been for a long time-most people recognize this.

NN, this is an important observation. People are feeling screwed by the powers that be, especially as people see Congress more of an extension of Wall Street than Main Street.

Mr Slippery wrote:

The median duration of unemployment dropped from 22.2 weeks to 19.9 weeks. This is the second month in a row with a big drop.

This is good news, if it didn't drop due to people giving up.

It might be worth running through these numbers on the assumption that everyone gives up at 99.

So me feline acoutrements are blue-hairs (in age-not looks) and they love treats, and Temptations in purrticular.

The package proudly states that each treat has only 2 calories, for those cats watching their waistlines.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Again, I reiterate, I have never knowingly dined ala cat.

Mr. J.D., are you claiming you were served cat but never swallowed?

Icepick wrote:

Can I influence the future by printing a list of people I want to see first up against the wall when the revolution comes?

You will join many right wing zealots in the hobby of making the murder list, but I can't really recommend it.

If you want to accomplish that sort of objective in something other than a burst of violent irrationalism where you kill all the outgroup members contaminating your society, I'd suggest making arrangements to provide clinic care and hunger relief to your community. Provision of political goods is the road to legitimate rule.

Byzantine_Ruins wrote:

I'd suggest making arrangements to provide clinic care and hunger relief to your community. Provision of political goods is the road to legitimate rule.

It is working for Hamas. Listen to what B.R. suggesting.

Nanoo-Nanoo wrote: The equities markets obviously aren't reflective of the natural economics on Main Street-actually have not been for a long time-most people recognize this.

As noted last thread, Reich agrees:

Pay no attention. The stock market has as much to do with the real economy as the weather has to do with geology. Day by day there’s no relationship at all. Over time, weather and geology interact but the results aren’t evident for many years. The biggest impact of the weather is on peoples’ moods, as are the daily ups and downs of the market.
...
The real economy is jobs and paychecks, what people buy and what they sell. And the real economy — even viewed from a worldwide perspective — is as precarious as ever, perhaps more so.

Robert Reich (The Stock Market Rally Versus the World's Economic Fundamentals)

'bama' presser delayed INDEFINITELY.

Since when has the Yarn-Spinner-In-Chief been at a loss for teleprompter delivered words ?

Ok, so I had the lunch special in Westminster one time, and the meat was a little too stringy, but that doesn't prove anything.

Yes, you see government workers are "deadbeats" like teachers, cops/law enforcement and social workers - they are merely employed and serve no real funciton in our society - real workers are those employed in our private sector, like real estate agents, bank tellers, waiters, and janitors - one group produces a profit for the renting class the other is just a useless cost center...

I'm going to make a reality show called "The Government is My Sugar Daddy." I'm not sure what it will be about, but that is the name I have chosen.

rm-rf wrote:

Yes, you see government workers are "deadbeats" like teachers, cops/law enforcement and social workers

Yah the prison industry has done so much for America. Three cheers for the gaolers. Subsidized by your tax dollars to be the last vestiges of the middle class, so they keep holding down the room while the robbers get away.

Don't worry, Bluto and Scarface Pete, the white van will pull around to the front of casino and drop off your pension checks, excuse me, "pick you up", right after we get out the back door.

I'm going to make a reality show called "The Government is My Sugar Daddy."

Eh. Greek re-runs.

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

All subsidies are unequal, but some subsidies are more unequal than others

Sadly, I had to go into the public sector to finally get an office... with a door. The window? I thought I was a Masters degree short and born about 25 years too late for such a luxury!

Byzantine_Ruins wrote:

You will join many right wing zealots in the hobby of making the murder list, but I can't really recommend it.

You realize, don't you, that the "up against the wall" language comes form the political left?

Hackman wrote:

I think this is more properly a growthless recovery.

We need a flux capacitator.

Obummer is talking small biz, but no one believes him. End of year layoffs are coming.

Icepick wrote:

You realize, don't you, that the "up against the wall" language comes form the political left?

Both sides claim that language. It is usually just code for "That group has way too much. We have way too little. We want to change that dynamic." Religious types claim to be up against it when it comes to secularism. Conservative types claim to be up against it when it comes to demographic/social progress. Liberal types claim to be up against it when...

I don't hear obama quoted very much. I hear his advisors and his team quoted everywhere. It's like no one even cares what obama has to say. Seems Bernanke is the one everyone pays attention to.

"The Government is My Sugar Daddy."

• More than 40 million people get food stamps, an increase of nearly 50% during the economic downturn, according to government data through May. The program has grown steadily for three years.
• Close to 10 million receive unemployment insurance, nearly four times the number from 2007. Benefits have been extended by Congress eight times beyond the basic 26-week program, enabling the long-term unemployed to get up to 99 weeks of benefits. Caseloads peaked at nearly 12 million in January — "the highest numbers on record,"
• As caseloads for all the programs have soared, so have costs. The federal price tag for Medicaid has jumped 36% in two years, to $273 billion. Jobless benefits have soared from $43 billion to $160 billion. The food stamps program has risen 80%, to $70 billion. Welfare is up 24%, to $22 billion. Taken together, they cost more than Medicare.

Record number in government anti-poverty programs - USATODAY.com

There ya go Elvis. You can feature those stats. Misery loves a GOP sponsor - go for it.

Despite all the spin and hype about the "good jobs reports", I felt bullish on Kolaches and Cinnamon Rolls this morning and went to the local and locally-owned bakery and treated my office mates. I have no idea what compelled me to do this other than the need to support a non-chain, locally owned business and build a sense of community among those I work near. I'm sure the bakery at the nearby Super Target would have cost half as much, but ... darnit, it felt good to spend more on this little treat somehow.

Can someone point me to a summary of the small business bill Obama is pushing for? Also, is there data suggesting that small business is not hiring because of the lack of tax incentives or, stated another way, that small business in fact wants to hire but cannot afford to do so absent the incentives?

Thanks.

Hackman wrote:

build a sense of community

Good luck.
I'm finding my efforts to do so difficult.

Byzantine_Ruins wrote:

If you want to accomplish that sort of objective in something other than a burst of violent irrationalism where you kill all the outgroup members contaminating your society

Yeah, I was thinking of starting with the economists and then working along to the lawyers. Especially since I can't provide care to the poor because I've been out of work for so fucking long. But I'll keep that in mind once the power gets shut off and I get thrown into the street. If only I hadn't been such a right-wing zealot none of this would have happened to me....

Hackman, I do the same thing - throw my $4 at the local bakery for half a dozen donuts rather than Dunkin. Even if I don't really believe in donuts. I try to buy local, non-chain.

Lurking Lawyer - will take a while, but I can get you started if you can wait.

Hackman wrote:

I felt bullish on Kolaches

I grew up on Kolaches and visions of plum dumplings...

RevolutionWillNotBeTelevised wrote:

*to be fair, these are more bartenders than waitresses.

At least most aren't unionized:

"Rattner depicts White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel as a force to be reckoned with who disparaged unions -- once quipping "Fuck the UAW" -- and who effectively supervised Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner during his first rocky months on the job by dictating his public appearances and staff picks.

According to him Goolsbee and Summers fought all the way along. And nobody likes Sheila Bair. Again.

I guess we're supposed to be shocked that Rahm was running Geithner when all the important economic decisions were being made. But why? It was all politics from the minute they hit the ground. And they were wrong on both politics and policy."
-Digby

Hackman wrote:

It's his problem-solving ability I am beginning to question.

He's a mediator. He doesn't consider it his role to solve the problem.

These are deep political beliefs that pre-date his public career. It's the one piece of his public persona I'm convinced is absolutely genuine.

black dog wrote:

NO WAY will the Rs ever agree to extend benis beyond 99 weeks.

What makes you think the Ds will either? Obama PROMISED last November there would be no more extensions. Or am I not to take him at his word?

Lurking Lawyer wrote:

Also, is there data suggesting that small business is not hiring because of the lack of tax incentives or, stated another way, that small business in fact wants to hire but cannot afford to do so absent the incentives?

LL,

The problem small business has is actually very simple. It's called big business.

Hackman wrote:

The problem small business has is actually very simple. It's called big business.

More accurately: barriers to competition which includes big businesses.

Its the 'thrift' part that is killing us and not from the consumer but from the 'industry leaders', parts of government sector and finance sector that got the ultimate big pay day handouts from govt. What are they producing sum luk? Wasn't govt the the biggest sugar daddy of all time to the tune of Trillons so they can keep the

They are all COWARDS unwilling to fight fair. They can't fight fair unless it is rigged in their favor and it is ultimately rigged in their favor. All the rest is just diversion. Industry got the bugger off on any sort of benefit to those that make their industries run which started in earnest in the late '80s. Greenspan and subsequent administrations sent the message that if you royally F-up...we'll bail you out. The rest of us were left with dog eat dog and caveat emptor businesses in every day life, even in areas where a high ethical standard are required as base humanity towards others got bought out by the smart amoral scumbags who didn't find any risk too high, until that is they own excrement exploded in their faces.

Outsider wrote:

It's like no one even cares what obama has to say.

It's like Obama isn't there to provide quotes. Other people have that job.

Lurking Lawyer,

I will post them as I find them:

Economist's View: "Who Creates Jobs? Small vs. Large vs. Young"

Icepick wrote:

Especially since I can't provide care to the poor

Look on the bright side, soon enough if this keeps up we will all care for the poor just by caring for ourselves.

And for the group, a hilarious YouTube from the Irvine Housing Blog:

Last Remaining Hopes Crushed, Homedebtors Defend Home Ownership - Irvine Real Estate and Irvine Homes - Irvine Housing Blog

Nanoo-Nanoo wrote:

Its the 'thrift' part that is killing us and not from the consumer but from the 'industry leaders', parts of government sector and finance sector that got the ultimate big pay day handouts from govt. What are they producing sum luk?

A very small group of very smart, very rich, very corrupt people worthy to join the lower ranks of the existing elite.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Sorry i'm so unworthy of your learning, Duke.

None of us deserve him and I wish he'd stop reminding us of it.

Outsider wrote:

Does medicaid use private health insurance companies, or are they an entity on their own?

Wiki says sometimes.

In some states Medicaid is subcontracted to private health insurance companies, while other states pay providers (i.e., doctors, clinics and hospitals) directly.

Some states have incorporated the use of private companies to administer portions of their Medicaid benefits. These programs, typically referred to as Medicaid managed care, allow private insurance companies or health maintenance organizations to contract directly with a state Medicaid department at a fixed price per enrollee. The health plans then enroll eligible individuals into their programs and become responsible for assuring Medicaid benefits are delivered to eligible beneficiaries.
Medicaid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you think 3 Billion per week would cover FREE health care for all Americans?
COSTOFWAR.COM - The Cost of War

Tax breaks and loans for small business is not going to make customers with money appear out of no where. O is way late with this. No surprise he hates business and profit. The opportunity has passed for this to work. IMO

MB wrote:

And none of those government-meddling egg inspections, either.

Well, except for when needs to extract an Egg Management Fee.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Sorry i'm so unworthy of your learning, Duke.

I had the benefit of an honors political science and a modern political philosophy course, stacked with poli sci majors, back in the pre-9/11 world, at my state uni. A bigger group of groupthinking sycophants would have been hard to find, with a few rare exceptions - and most of the true d-bags in that group spent time as a legislative page and/or in student government.

Any plan other than bailing out golfing buddies in the FIRE sector would have been met with screams of deficit hawks and still are. Yeah, now its too late and self-reinforcing. Not defending O...he's just another empty suit like many before him.

Icepick wrote:

Obama PROMISED last November there would be no more extensions.

Stick to your promises, no matter how much conditions may change. I think Herbert Hoover said that.

HG - thanks. I wonder which is more cost effective - medicaid outsourcing to private companies, or paying providers directly.

black dog wrote:

Won't matter what the Ds think after november.

The prospect of Barney Frank getting treated like Ron Paul in committee is delicious.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

I expect political gridlock that looks like a Chinese freeway @ rush-hour...

You mean I might actually get what I vote for, for once?

Outsider wrote:

HG - thanks. I wonder which is more cost effective - medicaid outsourcing to private companies, or paying providers directly, WITH TAX BREAKS

Outsider wrote:

HG - thanks. I wonder which is more cost effective - medicaid outsourcing to private companies, or paying providers directly.

We seem to like privatizing profits and socializing risks and costs, and I'm not sure which option supports that platform better.

HomeGnome wrote:

The smart ones grow their own damn eggplants.
Eggplant - Johnny's Selected Seeds

25 seeds should give you about 20 plants or so.
That's a lot of freaking eggplant, dude.

I was raised growing food in a garden, and continued it once I grew into an adult. I do still buy some stuff at the grocery store, when Im not growing it in the garden. Although recently, I took a peek at the prices of things Ive grown, having never bothered to look before since I didnt need to buy them... I 'saved' about $300 in cantaloupe and cucumbers alone!

amiramr0 wrote:

It's not the man it's the job...

• 1,000

Elvis wrote:

everytime I pass an organic community garden, I pee on it.

I thought that was you.
A little more to the left next time, thank you.

Lobbyist Ben Dover wrote:

Tax breaks and loans for small business is not going to make customers with money appear out of no where. O is way late with this. No surprise he hates business and profit

If a business cannot survive without tax breaks and subsidized loans, then should we be supporting such a business?

Outsider wrote:

I wonder which is more cost effective - medicaid outsourcing to private companies, or paying providers directly.

Outsourcing creates extra layers of skim, and skim = jobs.

Elvis wrote:

By the way everytime I pass an organic community garden, I pee on it.

Those are Freedom gardens!

MB,

A mother who has raised her son so well ...

That, my friend is a classic. Along with Mr. Bojangles. LA Freeway, Derby Day and many, many more.

nanoo - Don't you think there might be fraud (or maybe just extreme looseness) on the part of the medicaid providers if they bill the govt. directly?

Vic wrote:

If a business cannot survive without tax breaks and subsidized loans, then should we be supporting such a business?

Not if we withdraw all subsidies and forms of support for all other businesses at the same time.

RevolutionWillNotBeTelevised wrote:

I 'saved' about $300 in cantaloupe and cucumbers alone!

I managed to nurse my cukes through the heat of summer and I think I'm going to get a few more in the next few months.
And about half my tomatoes are still putting out flowers although it's been too hot for them to fertilize themselves.
Local and organic (thanks Elvis)
Victory Garden.

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Those are Freedom gardens!

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to tax.

Lobbyist Ben Dover wrote:

Tax breaks and loans for small business is not going to make customers with money appear out of no where. O is way late with this. No surprise he hates business and profit. The opportunity has passed for this to work. IMO

What a bizarre statement.

Obama proposed it in 2009.

It passed the House on a party line vote in January 2010.

It would have passed the Senate had Republicans not blocked a vote on it.

Does reality have nothing at all to do with your opinions and the utter nonsense you post on this board?

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to repo.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

I have a chip on my shoulder, knowledge.

I have a chip on my shoulder, too. Well, that is somewhat inaccurate. I have a parrot on my shoulder whose name is "Chip." Argggg, matey.

nanoo - So the public option might have been a more efficient option?

"for you see I have a chip on my shoulder, knowledge."
...
same for my late and lamented grandmother...

Elvis wrote:

"Cantaloupe and cucumbers?"

That would be an 'interesting' dinner...

Those two things are one of the best natural laxatives around, I cant imagine eating both at the same time

HomeGnome wrote:

landlubber.

I hate the earth. That is why I don't eat organically.

Lobbyist Ben Dover wrote:

No surprise he hates business and profit.

LBD,

I hope this is not true. I'm pretty sure my local Kolache and Cinnamon Roll dealer ain't in it for sh*ts and giggles.

Byzantine_Ruins wrote:

Don't worry. After you throw the Jew down the well, your country will be free.

Wow, what a fucking bastard you are. You MUST be a Democrat because they always go for the racism charge. (Your leftish nature reveals itself by your over-whelming sense of condescension.) I'm so sick of you political types that think everyone and everything HAS to fit into the asinine little mental boxes you've constructed for everyone. I don't much care for either party, as it is clear neither has any idea what's actually happening. I don't much care for rightists or leftists because it's clear they don't even care what's happening. You all have your little set pieces you look to use at every opportunity. ("Too much government!" "Build political capital and the right to rule by being nice to poor people.")

How about taking your own advice, asswipe? I AM the poor, and by the end of the month I've got no place to live. But all you've got is a high-minded lecture about how bad us righties are and a bunch of claptrap about how to be a good little socialist. And incidentally, the methods of social control you mention have been perfected by your buddies on the Left. But I guess .rads Lenin and Stalin were really Republicans in disguise.

Elvis wrote:

If the gov't stopped subsidizing medicine, you will be able to get a proctology examine for 3 dozen eggs.

I heard about a guy who says he'll PAY 3 dozen eggs to give a protcology exam. Of course, he isn't a doctor.

Elvis wrote:

I hate the earth. That is why I don't eat organically.

Just wait til we string up some electric fence.
You might find yourself in for quite a shock, pee man.

Vic wrote:

Knowing that we certainly do not have the political will to cut corporate welfare, we will continue down the subsidies for everyone route.

"How many of you are there?
A few more than the original guerrilla nucleus in the Sierra Madre, but with fewer weapons.
A few less than the delegates in London in 1864 who founded the International Workingmen’s Association, but with a more coherent program.
As unyielding as the Greeks at Thermopylae (“Passerby, go tell them at Lacedaemon...”), but with a brighter future."
— SITUATIONIST INTERNATIONAL, 1964

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

they're pointed at us, not some invader.

At least I'll be protected in my newfound ivy tower!

Passing ANOTHER law is not going to save small business. Politicians believe their own shit or just pass laws for appearances.

Former Idealist wrote:

just pass laws for appearances.

That one.

Former Idealist wrote:

Politicians believe their own shit

There's so much of it...

HG...you are correct sir. Only I'm not one, you're not one...just our 'leaders' are. We've been led to the slaughter house while our heads were buried in the blackberry bush.

Birth/Death model again adds more for the current month, than for the same month last year (for at least the 5th month in a row) ... because we all know more and more new small companies are starting up and fewer shutting down now a days. Unreal.

Icepick wrote:

Wow, what a fucking bastard you are. You MUST be a Democrat because...

uh... yeah... is this even for real?

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Boy, ain't the truth!

Can we haz :high5: ?

Boy, ain't that the truth!

Can we haz :high5: ?

Gary wrote:

Eliminationist rhetoric is the stock in trade of the right wing nutters.

Yeah, guys like ,rads Lenin and Stalin and Mao, and Che and Fidel and Ho, and ......

Jesus Christ, are you really that blinkered that you have never read or heard or seen anything about how Stalin handled the Kulaks? Or the on going slaughter of counter-revolutionaries in the early days (and middle days) of the Soviet Union? Or heard of the attrocities committed by Pol Pot, or the Cultural Revolution? You really think those were all right wing conspiracies? What planet are you guys from that you think this kind of think ONLY happens on the Right?

I repeatedly repeat myself repeatedly. But spreadingly the gospel of the bulldozer is a worthy cause.

yagij wrote:

What is the problem here again?

Elephants and Asses.

Citizen Rupert vis a vis his minions, advised the righty-tightys to get armed and dangerous, I saw no similar push on the left...

Isn't the writing on the wall, plain to see?

tweet from @ shervin
Pishevar Proposal: All US Rep's, US Senators, President, VP take a $1 salary in any year US has a deficit in Federal budget. Please RT.

Icepick wrote:

What planet are you guys from that you think this kind of think ONLY happens on the Right?

I dont remember anyone saying ONLY...

Perhaps if you keep giving example of that behavior from everyone else but your 'side' it will make it more appealing to you? Either way, who do you think you are helping, right now?

CR, do you have another thread ready yet?

It's time to jump this ship.

Icepick<

I hope things get better for you, man.
and that ain't no snark.

MB, you are aware that Hitler was a Socialist, correct? He made nice with the Junkers (and they with him) out of political necessity, not because he liked them over-much. Fascism and National Socialism were a bit more complicated than just saying they were on the Right.

But yeah, go ahead, just keep thinking everyone you don't agree with 100% is just like Hitler. I am sure that those good deeds, like the good deeds of Byzantine Ruins calling me an anti-Semite, will calm peoples emotions down EXACTLY as you intend. You know, building up all that good will with the poor folk.

Icepick wrote:

What planet are you guys from that you think this kind of think ONLY happens on the Right?

It happens wherever evil asserts power. Left and right may or may not apply to any given case, but it doesn't matter.

Personally, I'm sorry you've been unable to find a new job and for the economic fallout that you're experiencing.

That has nothing at all to do with politics.

Outsider wrote:

It's time to jump this ship. It was more fun talking about the prospects of eating cats.

I can haz TCP/IP discussions?

RevolutionWillNotBeTelevised wrote:

I can haz TCP/IP discussions?

Need a new topic! netstat!

allow me...

Sooooooooooooooooooweeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Here PorkChop.

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooweeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Icepick wrote:

since I can't provide care to the poor because I've been out of work for so fucking long.

Out of work so long and you couldn't find time for some volunteering? Man, sometimes I am just gobsmacked by peoples lack of self-awareness. And you know, volunteering not only makes you feel better, it's a good opportunity to meet people that might help you get work. Karma.

icepick wrote "Or heard of the attrocities committed by Pol Pot"
...
don't get me started on Mr Salouth Sar or as I affectionately call him Pouk.
I'll give him credit he did try to fix the gaping hole in Marxist-Leninism...
or as the Khmers like to call it Max-Leninism

And the consolidation in Pharma, health insurance..etc. continues. Much of what is produced is produced overseas. If it is produced here, the base ingredients many times are from overseas. Companies gave up QA to seize a larger profit. The legal system isn't working in the favor of consequences for what would once be considered gross negligence in the medical sciences and production. IF it happens AT ALL it takes years and MIGHT produce a fine. Such is the world of for profit medical care except those that profit aren't those that get the so-called care.

We have more people on the planet than ever with fewer and fewer facilities to produce vaccines because vaccines don't produce much of a profit. We're asking for it and will likely get it then its back to the dark ages.

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Do you think money grows on trees?

If it is a gold tree, it does.

Out of work so long and you couldn't find time for some volunteering?

Judgmentalism alert.

Not everyone is up to volunteering when their world is falling apart.

That's like expecting the depressed to be cheerleaders.

Jeesh.

Nanoo

I have a relative that is a registered nurse.
About three days ago, they (not my relative) revived someone with a DNR order and this person is 87 and on a ventilator.
WTF??

How many people have met their demise in a crematorium in Socialist Europe since 1946?

Byzantine_Ruins wrote:

joining the groupthink becomes a way of getting in with the self-advertised in-crowd

"You've got mail."

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

there will be an out-migration of mostly people with too much to lose leaving, can we afford it?

Well, how do you think the 'mad-max' scenario gets started? Its not like you are going to wake up one day and it will be there in its full glory. It will be small, incremental changes over a long period of time.

Yes it's for real. He came straight to the point and called me an anti-Semite for no reason. Find something that justifies his charge, I defy you. And that's been the purview of Democrats lately. (Glenn Beck being a noable exception.) I had a lot more basis for my comment than he had for his, namely all his socialist "feed the poor" crap and his listing of his own politics on his profile of being to the left. And his complete obliviousness that calls to political violence have come from the Left as often as they've come from the Right. THAT is partisanship, the inability to see anything wrong with people that hold the "correct" politics.

Winston wrote:

For the love of we need a new thread.

If you truly love the precious then every thread is a good thread.

sportsfan wrote:

the only guys get to talk HTML also

I tried to think of something, but without the proper EMphasis, I was Striking out in my though process.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

If things go really crazy (there's been a huge uptick in murder-suicides and familicides the past few years) there will be an out-migration of mostly people with too much to lose leaving, can we afford it?

Can you produce that uptick? The stats I've been seeing have shown a general downtrend over the last few years. Or is it just media coverage that creates the perception of uptick? Same thing with school shootings, really horrible years were int he late 80's early 90's; but some dramatic ones in the late 90's took all the press and everyone thought 'school shootings are up".

I have a friend with ALS...recently Medicare tried to stop his Hospice Care. Fortunately, his care providers intervened and got that overturned.

Too many WTFs to talk about...I spend a lot of my personal time mitigating those with friends and family. It really upsets me since so much of this is unnecessary and its roots are nothing but banal base....greed. The RN:patient ratios are dangerously high...likely why the DNR wasn't posted on the chart. Too few skilled workers.

China's world factory: little Christmas order cheer
| Reuters

"The U.S. market has not come back and the European market is dropping," said Leona Lam, CEO of the firm, which does around $250 million of business annually. "I don't see a good Christmas this year for factories."

Can we just talk about :rainbows: and now?

What. No icon for rainbows? What kind of blog is this?

Sure, look at how many familicides (think little Joe Goebbels bumping off his family) have transpired in the past few years, compared to previously.

Familicide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

HomeGnome wrote:

This hospital has RN's emptying garbage cans they've cut so deep.

Now that's what I call cost-efficient.

Vic wrote:

I thought that the reason it failed was because Republicans wanted amendments which the dems did not agree to.

That's the "new" bill; the one Sportsfan referred to was voted on back in January.

Vic wrote:

If a business cannot survive without tax breaks and subsidized loans, then should we be supporting such a business?

In a pure sense you are correct. However tax breaks and subsidies (handled fairly) allow for needed services and products aiding stability and reasonable growth. Only the strongest would survive and that would leave all to the 1%. They have their place but abuse is the word now days.

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Now that's what I call cost-efficient.

In the Ukraine patients have to provide their own nursing care...how's that for efficiency?

HomeGnome wrote:

Quit whining then.

I'm whizzing.

Outsider wrote:

What. No icon for rainbows? What kind of blog is this?

This is HCN after all:

The sun will come out
not
Bet your ill-gotten baht
That tomorrow
There'll be no sun!

sportsfan wrote:

Survival goes not to the smartest or strongest, but to those most able to adapt.

Sure, though those who had their worlds rocked hardest in '07-'08 were often (though not always) the most complacent about endless housing inflation, leverage, career stability, etc. i.e., stupid.

Icepick wrote:

He came straight to the point and called me an anti-Semite for no reason.

I read both your posts, and his 'tongue-in-cheek' response to you. You were being serious, or at least it sounded like it, when you mentioned 'going after' the economists and lawyers in a discussion about violence. The comment to you about 'throwing the jew down the well' was more directed at your overwhelming hatred of groups of people for no other reason than what group they belonged to.
You used professionals such as 'economists and lawyers', and the response back to you was an ethnic group that has been on the receiving end of similar 'thought', in an attempt to get you to think about what you are actually saying. At that point, you got upset that the response to your ideas of violence aimed at another group, was met by previous examples of such blind hate based on prejudice.

Is that the 'example' you were looking for? Or did I miss something?

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Americans are a violent people

Is this a human condition or evolution?

sportsfan wrote:

Survival goes not to the smartest or strongest, but to those most able to adapt. Adaptation takes many forms and everyone does it differently.

Planet Earth Can't Import Oil
When faced with insufficient domestic oil production, an industrialized country has but two choices:

1. Import oil
2. Collapse

But when faced with insufficient global oil production, an industrialized planet has just one choice: Choice Number 2.

MB wrote "Singling out one extreme for vilification while ignoring the other illuminates nothing.
...
ok, let's not ignore the other. not balanced by a long shot.
EDIT
outside of Hitler I'm pressed. please don't say Mussolini cause if you do I'll have to ask you how many were killed under the 1992-23 enemy of the state law in Italy?

Rob Dawg wrote:

Sword wielding figurines and toy dragons

Kids need to be educated!

Rob Dawg wrote:

to honor the birth of the Christ child.

I thought Christmas was to honor eggnog.

How hard was it for all those Iraqis experiencing violence, to leave their country?

As I said, the people that matter will leave the people that don't matter behind in a flash, if they perceive things to not be safe here.

adornosghost wrote:

but two choices:

No, 3, if you're coal-rich, like RSA 30 years ago and greater Germany 70 years ago. We'll be forced down the Fischer-Tropsch road soon enough, ourselves.

Icepick wrote:

I AM the poor, and by the end of the month I've got no place to live. But all you've got is a high-minded lecture about how bad us righties are and a bunch of claptrap about how to be a good little socialist.

You are completely incapable of introspection. It is fascinating to watch, like a train wreck or a spider eating a moth.

chapel_of_words wrote:

Or is it just media coverage that creates the perception of uptick? Same thing with school shootings, really horrible years were int he late 80's early 90's; but some dramatic ones in the late 90's took all the press and everyone thought 'school shootings are up".

We as a society are experiencing an epidemic of whatever fear-mongering 24 hour cable TV crime shows are beating us over the head with hour after hour. Visceral, frightening and cheap to produce. What could be a more worthy contribution to American social cohesion?

Rob Dawg wrote:

"The U.S. market has not come back and the European market is dropping,"
From the article: "Christmas usually brings a 10 percent surge in orders, with container-loads of its plastic sword-wielding figurines, mythical dragons and gifts shipped off to major markets in time for festivities in December."
Sword wielding figurines and toy dragons... to honor the birth of the Christ child. And people wonder how we got here. WASS.

I'm thinking that the tree is gonna have a lot less crap under it this Xmas. And I'm not sure that's a bad thing. Perhaps we can keep it festive by rolling back the Christmas season so that the decorations only go up after Thanksgiving.

TJ and The Bear wrote:

That's the "new" bill; the one Sportsfan referred to was voted on back in January.

Here is the text of the bill which Sportsfan referred to -

Bill Text - 111th Congress (2009-2010) - THOMAS (Library of Congress) 

I don't see the pork. Can you provide a link which describes this?

MB wrote:

What could be a more worthy contribution to American social cohesion?

Hmmm... an abundance of meth and a scarcity of non-professional work?

Winston wrote:

Perhaps we can keep it festive by rolling back the Christmas season so that the decorations only go up after Thanksgiving.

Perhaps we should only be allowed to use turkey carcasses as ornaments.

Lobbyist Ben Dover wrote:

However tax breaks and subsidies (handled fairly) allow for needed services and products aiding stability and reasonable growth

OK. So you are not opposed to government intervention in business per se, but just in areas that you like.