1 - that chart looks like someone playing the basic DOS game snake
2 - Q: this reported occupancy rate is based on available rooms and does not include mothballed rooms which we don't have a good way to track?

I have a dog that looks just like those on the dog tile. And maybe first. Nope.

EvilHenryPaulson, I'll try for more information. The last data they sent me showed the number of rooms about this year by about the amount of new construction so I think mothballed floors are included.

best wishes

Report: Renesas plans massive layoffs

Umm this might leave a small mark.

SAN JOSE, Calif. - Japan's Renesas Electronics Corp. plans to cut nearly 10 percent of its workforce, or about 5,000 jobs

CalculatedRisk wrote:

I think mothballed floors are included

that would make this very good news instead of just good news

It's the heighth of summer and the Europeans are picking up the staycationers slack here @ hotels/motels in the Golden State...

http://www.newberryspringscoc.com/images/california_flag.png

I've always liked California's flag (maybe not as much as Az or Md though) and there seems to be a prescient message within...

It features something extinct (ever-shrinking biz opportunities) always chasing debt (that loan red star) on a sea of red ink...

OT:

The nytimes article on the hawk and dove camps shifting within the fed is a nice trial balloon being floated by the Fed.

Get ready for QE2

Mo Money, Mo money, mo money.

One simple question I have: if CR is right, and the next QE step, if taken, is to put a ceiling on the 2 and 5 yr yields, then wouldn't we expect the yield on the 10 and 30 yr to move upward rather rapidly (monetization creating the fear of future inflation, finally). And if so, wouldn't that hurt MBS markets and vis a vis destroy any sort of nascent housing recovery which is already getting kicked in the shorts?

Decisions, decisions. I'm curious how others see this playing out - seems like a no win situation, bt maybe that is the point (well except for the banks who will really, really get to capitalize on our backs).

have any large hotel chains gone BK or are they all successfully kicking the can?

if they somehow can all make it through this, just like the homebuilders, imagine how bold they will be next time? If you survived a huge bubble followed by the worst year in your industry since the depression, you must surely be immune to economic reality and should take much bigger risks and collect your much bigger rewards.

montas ankle wrote:

Mo Money, Mo money, mo money.

No money? Go money, fo' money!

If the Icelandic volcanoes hadn't slowed down, 40% of our local hotels business would have gone away this summer, SNAP! just like that.

sum luk wrote:

Random Refereeing: How Uncertainty Hinders Economic Growth (With Reference to Lucky Puppies, Pepper...and Salt, Lawrence Summers and Thomas Jefferson) - Richard Fisher Speeches, 7-29-10 - News & Events - FRB Dallas

Not just uncertainty but deficits.

The point of hiring and capital investment is to make a future profit. But with the government running 10% deficits clearly all those future business profits are going to have to be confiscated to pay down government debts. Alternatively, failure of the government to pay those debts will cause so much financial and political upheaval that your business will probably be burnt to the ground anyhow by an angry mob.

So who in their right mind would start a new business or hire employees if it's all risk with no prospect of return?

After just spending 4 days in a hotel, I'll take credit for the bump.

Just wait until you see the restaurant numbers come out. I singlehandedly was responsible for a 5% boost.

noob goldberg wrote:

I singlehandedly was responsible for a 5% boost.

Your money or your expense account (OPM)?

montas ankle wrote:

I'm curious how others see this playing out

there is an orchestrated worldwide re-boot coming, after Ramadan

yagij wrote:

Your money or your expense account?

Expense account. Inflation in the expense account, deflation in my personal spending.

montas ankle wrote:

One simple question I have: if CR is right, and the next QE step, if taken, is to put a ceiling on the 2 and 5 yr yields, then wouldn't we expect the yield on the 10 and 30 yr to move upward rather rapidly (monetization creating the fear of future inflation, finally). And if so, wouldn't that hurt MBS markets and vis a vis destroy any sort of nascent housing recovery which is already getting kicked in the shorts?

"Simple" my furry brown belly. I thought for sure the cessation of MBS purchases and tightening of GSE buying standards would push the 10y Treasury 30y mortgage spread wider. Instead it has narrowed. Nothing in fundamental analysis works anymore. And related, this LATimes article from Saturday Jul 24th:

Stocks' gyrations' defy explanation - latimes.com

Paulsen, 52, was taught to evaluate investments based on "the fundamentals" — the nitty-gritty statistics in economic reports and corporate financial statements.

But in the last couple of years, and especially the last few months, he said, those fundamentals have told him little about the future movement of stock prices. Instead, the market seems now to move more than ever on waves of emotion and sheer momentum.

"At the end of the day, I live by the credence that fundamentals will win out over time," said Paulsen, chief
investment strategist at Wells Capital Management, a Wells Fargo & Co. unit that manages more than $300 billion in investments.

"But, you know, now sometimes I just feel like I should give back my degree and become a psychologist," he said.


The short answer is we are so deep in unexplored territory that everything will be a surprise including the expected.

noob goldberg wrote:

Expense account.

careful, lest you become a high priced liability

No one 17 and under admitted USAIR delay made me miss my connection and I'm stuck in Charlotte for 4 more hours. If I can't find a Sexy Just Pullin' Yer Leg club near the Snark I might actually have to read FinReg Economics is hard . I know most out there would be hitting the In Vino Veritas Beer The Dude Abides Kool-Aid but there's too much confusion. This is not our thing.

2300 pages, and there really is no shortcut. My Head Just Exploded Chip Me

noob goldberg wrote:

Inflation in the expense account, deflation in my personal spending.

Queue JD: Experts agree that other people's money is the best kind.

12th Percentile wrote:

have any large hotel chains gone BK or are they all successfully kicking the can?

Foreclosures Reveal Red Roof Inn Distress

Rob Dawg wrote:

deep in unexplored territory

very much so

hide and watch

Good thing we're modeling our economy after progressive big spending countries like Greece:

The stand-off between striking truck drivers and authorities in Greece intensified today hours after the government issued an emergency order to force protesters back to work.

With fuel shortages stranding thousands of tourists and disrupting supplies of food and medicines nationwide, prime minister George Papandreou resorted to emergency legislation, more usually used at times of war or great natural disaster, to end the walk-out...

The ruling socialists called for the mobilisation – the fourth time since the collapse of military rule in 1974 that such an order has been issued – as it became clear that Greece was facing a public health crisis because of the strike.

On islands, where fuel supplies have totally run out, tourists could be seen abandoning rented cars by the side of the road while yachts remained docked in harbours or drifted out at sea.

Greek police fire tear gas at striking truckers | World news | guardian.co.uk

volker the viking wrote:

you managed to use Dong in a post

1970s: Talk about the Viet Cong
2010s: Talk about the Viet Dong

Why not just read the Cliffs notes, Wile e.?

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Why not just read the Cliffs notes, Wile e.?

Pg. 1: If you're not a banker, you're screwed.
Pg. 2: If you have any questions, refer to pg. 1

volker the viking wrote:

careful, lest you become a high priced liability

You haven't seen my salary. Your fears are unfounded.

or strip it back to the essentials

Given: the people with the wealth are in charge

When one takes a few data points from there, overlays the similarities, co-synchronize the importance of the major religions as well as Masonic ritual, it's as clear as the air after a gentle rain.

pigged

fisher
Fed's Fisher sees 'suboptimal' growth pace ahead - MarketWatch

1:21pFed's Fisher sees 'suboptimal' growth pace ahead

1:20pFisher blames regulatory uncertainty for slowdown (gotta love this one...)

1:20pFisher sees growth below 3% rate for long period

1:20pFed's Fisher sees 'suboptimal' growth pace ahead

I'm having a suboptimal year generating income....I like this word....it says it all..
See I was a summissive when it came to going into debt...This great recession lesson of punish savers and prudent people by rewarding greed...
has me looking at the dom side....
say oh no mr bill...
Mr. Bill Builds A House

ac wrote:

Good thing we're modeling our economy after progressive big spending countries like Greece:

The New Message From The Fed: WE ARE JAPAN

How did HP LoanGraft's $700 Billion initial request go from but 3 pages to 451 in just a week or so, padded with $87 Billion, for good measure?

yagij wrote:

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Why not just read the Cliffs notes, Wile e.?

Pg. 1: If you're not a banker, you're screwed.
Pg. 2: If you have any questions, refer to pg. 1

Pp. 3 through 2300: These are not the loopholes you were looking for. Move along.

Cinco-X wrote:

The New Message From The Fed: WE ARE JAPAN

Does that mean Enjo Kosai is coming to a trending neighborhood near you?
.
Rob Dawg wrote:

Pp. 3 through 2300: These are not the loopholes you were looking for. Move along.

Nice. I almost want to rip out modern printing techniques just to make the laws simpler and save the trees. I say that the entire Senate committee that approves bills much write out the law 10x each to show they approved a vote. No more "Yea" or "Nay".

ac wrote:

Good thing we're modeling our economy after progressive big spending countries like Greece:
The stand-off between striking truck drivers and authorities in Greece intensified today hours after the government issued an emergency order to force protesters back to work.
With fuel shortages stranding thousands of tourists and disrupting supplies of food and medicines nationwide, prime minister George Papandreou resorted to emergency legislation, more usually used at times of war or great natural disaster, to end the walk-out...
The ruling socialists called for the mobilisation – the fourth time since the collapse of military rule in 1974 that such an order has been issued – as it became clear that Greece was facing a public health crisis because of the strike.
On islands, where fuel supplies have totally run out, tourists could be seen abandoning rented cars by the side of the road while yachts remained docked in harbours or drifted out at sea.
Greek police fire tear gas at striking truckers | World news | guardian.co.uk

It's too bad I can't get to Greece today and throw rocks at the police with the truckers, seriously.

F No one 17 and under admitted K the rentier class....they can burn in hell.

Is this like football and tennis, where coaches/players get a certain number of challenges per half or set? I'll have to look for the red bean bag icon on my trading account GUI Snark

NYSE Amex, where the trade occurred, said in an e-mail that all trades will stand after it had reviewed those executed at 10:41 a.m. between $23.67 and $26.

Get ready for QE2

QE2 will be completely ineffective if all the money goes to the same guys who are still sitting on the last batch. Instead, it should go directly to me. I'll be happy to sign spending guarantees. In fact, I'll even pay a penalty if I don't spend it.

vtv wrote:

When one takes a few data points from there, overlays the similarities, co-synchronize the importance of the major religions as well as Masonic ritual, it's as clear as the air after a gentle rain.

(huddled masses)

"Ok, everybody go deep and i'll try to find somebody open-minded, hike on 13"

yagij wrote:

Does that mean Enjo Kosai is coming to a trending neighborhood near you?

Oldest profession?

Yogi maybe you should complain to the Airline Union.... Snark JK best of luck been there done that...I suggest you hit the Bar and be done with it..

Nine condos above Ritz-Carleton Hotel to be auctioned - The Denver Post

wally wrote:

QE2 will be completely ineffective if all the money goes to the same guys who are still sitting on the last batch. Instead, it should go directly to me. I'll be happy to sign spending guarantees. In fact, I'll even pay a penalty if I don't spend it.

LOL. Yeah that's what the guys who received QE1 said.

Like I said earlier, F No one 17 and under admitted K the rentiers.

TARP was an instant $700bn slush fund
ARRA was a multi-year $787bn potpourri of spending/transfers/tax cuts

Cinco-X wrote:

Oldest profession?

The prohibition on prostitution should die. Srsly. As long as lobbyists and politicians can get paid above board, so too should the other folks.

Affordable Housing in the Recovery Summer | The White House 

Rosie Rios is Treasurer of the United States

My bad. The Treasurer of the US is not the Treasury Secretary.

Prostitution is legal in NZ, but drugs aren't.

For those interested, from St Louis Fed President Bullard:
http://research.stlouisfed.org/econ/bullard/pdf/SevenFacesFinalJul28.pdf 

Bullard wants to drop the extend period language, but possibly increase asset purchases. Hmmm ...

That is nothing compared to the confused speech Dallas Fed President Fischer gave today (always funny, but usually wrong):
Random Refereeing: How Uncertainty Hinders Economic Growth (With Reference to Lucky Puppies, Pepper...and Salt, Lawrence Summers and Thomas Jefferson) - Richard Fisher Speeches, 7-29-10 - News & Events - FRB Dallas

Fisher blames the problems on "uncertainty" instead of excess capacity and lack of demand. He is wrong - again

best to all

America to President Obama - "Do we all look like Mrs Obama to you?"

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Prostitution is legal in NZ, but drugs aren't.

Works for me. Legalize Currently Smoking Cannibis along with the Sex Workers Union's rights, and I will move to that state.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

It features something extinct (ever-shrinking biz opportunities)

Not extinct, still some in other states,...the term is extirpated.

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

It's too bad I can't get to Greece today and throw rocks at the police with the truckers, seriously.

F No one 17 and under admitted K the rentier class....they can burn in hell.

It sure would be nice if they didn't keep getting bailed out over and over again by the PTB.

CalculatedRisk wrote:

Fisher blames the problems on "uncertainty" instead of excess capacity and lack of demand. He is wrong - again

CR - This is a chicken-egg argument.

I think Fisher is correct that once we get certainty, we might get some movement on investment & jobs. The other side of the coin is, if the certainty we get isn't what business leaders like, things might get a lot worse than they are now.

yagij wrote:

The prohibition on prostitution should die. Srsly. As long as lobbyists and politicians can get paid above board, so too should the other folks.

No problem there, but do away with criminalized Currently Smoking Cannibis while you're at it...and if you're going to allow Cap1 to charge 79% on CCs, we might as well allow the loansharking as well, assuming that they cease to do physical harm to "slow payers"...

How much is a business leader willing to invest in new plants/equipment if we get a VAT as the President has indicated is worth investigating, for example ? They will be shutting down a lot of what they have now.

bearly wrote:

if we get a VAT as the President has indicated...

The national VAT would do to the economy what repeal of Prop 13 would do to the California RE sector.

What bugs me is they wouldn't bump anyone from the earlier flight, even though there was a volunteer. They could have just given him a $175 discount off a future flight, with all those restrictions, to save me another 4 1/2 hours (already delayed 1 1/2, and no weather that I know of). Instead I got a $5 meal voucher.

But I hate these stories so I'll get to work.

Is there a better intro than this one?

WSJ: Fin Reg Impact | The Big Picture

Vegas, if it was genuinely interested in surviving, would find a little of its inner Amsterdam-circa-1980.

Rob Dawg wrote:

The national VAT would do to the economy what repeal of Prop 13 would do to the California RE sector.

Explain, por favor....

bearly wrote:

How much is a business leader willing to invest in new plants/equipment if we get a VAT as the President has indicated is worth investigating, for example ? They will be shutting down a lot of what they have now.

Confidence is definitely a consideration for business, even though it's really more of a state of being hopeful for the future.

If the business community had more hope, they would have the confidence to invest. But it's hard to be hopeful when all you can see is a long decline ahead.

Rob Dawg wrote:

The national VAT would do to the economy what repeal of Prop 13 would do to the California RE sector.

Encourage emigration?

noob goldberg wrote:

After just spending 4 days in a hotel, I'll take credit for the bump.

Doesn't the 'model' get half the credit for the bump?

,rad Dawgma wrote:

The national VAT would do to the economy what repeal of Prop 13 would do to the California RE sector.

Hear that great sucking sound?

...that's the value of California real estate evaporating

yagij wrote:

Encourage emigration?

Do I get extra points for leaving first?

Though prop 13 is horrible policy, that is absolutely true.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

Is there a better intro than this one?

some music might help

bearly, It is a chicken and an egg in one sense: if the economy was fine, the business leaders would be too busy to complain about uncertainty.

The reason they are not investing is there is too much capacity and not enough demand.

Since growth is sluggish, the business leaders have too much time - and start complaining about what they always complain about.

But Fisher is flat wrong. He is frequently wrong - like when he made fun of those of us calling for a recession to start in 2007! His argument was there couldn't be a recession because of the business friendly policies coming out of Washington! ROLFOL. Big smile

His tune is always the same.

Best wishes

bearly wrote:

I think Fisher is correct that once we get certainty, we might get some movement on investment & jobs. The other side of the coin is, if the certainty we get isn't what business leaders like, things might get a lot worse than they are now.

Agreed. Who is going to hire without knowing costs? Who is going to spend, without knowing tax rates? Who is going to make a five year capital improvement without knowing actual costs.

Check that, that WSJ/ Big Pic link is not very useful.

Nevada is no place for drugs...

Last year on the way to and from Burning Man, the Nevada Highway Patrol were pulling cars over left and right for driving violations, that escalated into full-on searches, and like who isn't carrying?

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

that's the value of California real estate evaporating

that's the value of derivative contracts evaporating Fixed It For Ya

still, they can't out run the wealth destruction, and it's all phony, air filled nothing stuff

the re-boot will be the answer, bold, historic, analyzed, and extolled for many decades

CalculatedRisk wrote:

The reason they are not investing is there is too much capacity and not enough demand.

Isn't this more of an argument about price?

For the record, Obama is the first President ever to go on daytime "chat" television. To be quite frank, I believe his appearance on The View completely and utterly degrades the Office of the Presidency, is nothing more than a cheap campaign tactic aimed at garnering support from all of the desperate, pathetic housewives overdosed on Prozac who have no meaning in their life other than hanging onto every piece of garbage emitted from the mouths of Whoopi Goldberg and Barbara Walters, the latter of whom happens to be semi-comatose at this point in her life. It's beyond disgusting. "Mighty fine day indeed to you too, Miss Daisy."

Now that is what I am talking about.....+10000 Utter disgrace. Odumber is playing into the out of work sack of shit who would rather sit at home for a 126 weeks collecting his Welfare ( oh wait un-employment check ) instead for actually looking for work. Now don't take my comment as being disingenuous I fully under stand the job market out there sucks BIG TIME! but there are jobs, yet the Government gives you no incentive to actually look and try. What happens when this extension runs out in November?.......crickets chirping....

Total disgrace the entire political fraud...and that's just what it is FRAUD.

2 - Q: this reported occupancy rate is based on available rooms and does not include mothballed rooms which we don't have a good way to track?

Same Q, show me the denominator time series!

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

Do I get extra points for leaving first?

Depends on the locale. e.g. Leaving for Canada, New Zealand vs. Leaving for Zimbabwe, Lithuania

OT-Analyst opinions or guys/girls pushing the dice back to you after a lucky roll...
one example or 60% haircut...

FormFactor, Inc. Share Price Chart | FORM - Yahoo! Finance

analyst recommendation trend at bottom.even funnier yet are tons of sales pushes in news over last year...buy now....poised to move fast...etc..
FORM: Analyst Opinion for FormFactor, Inc. - Yahoo! Finance

I'm scaling in now....thanks for the rope a dope..

Bit of a stretch saying the President going on daytime tv constitutes a fraud, donchathink?

Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:

Rob Dawg wrote:

The national VAT would do to the economy what repeal of Prop 13 would do to the California RE sector.

Explain, por favor....

Read all the other replies.

Massive dislocations as almost every form of economic activity redeploys in the face of a new tax. The VAT would create a massive underground economy of cash and barter for starters. Prop 13 being abolished by say a Federal Receiver of the bankrupt State would equally set off a mad scramble to trade properties at new presumed values. If my property taxes were to triple so that my neighbors could go down 30% the value of my house would go down by $200k and his by $400k. I know, weird but that's the kind of disruption I'm talking about. A national VAT reshuffles the entire economy.

greenchutes wrote:

Vegas, if it was genuinely interested in surviving, would find a little of its inner Amsterdam-circa-1980.

How much is that 'lady' in the window? Arf Arf. The one with the beautiful tail.

Cinco-X wrote:

The New Message From The Fed: WE ARE JAPAN

I dunno... unless Japan is funding its consumers with borrowed money then I think the Fed is being way too optimistic with this comparison.

Really with US consumption being funded by government debt we're right back where we were in 2007.

The only read light district in Vegas is Borders.

shill wrote:

For the record, Obama is the first President ever to go on daytime "chat" television.

For the record, Obama is not the first president to go on daytime "chat" television.

Memo to Media: Obama is not "the first sitting president to appear on a daytime talk show" | Media Matters for America

shill wrote:

Now that is what I am talking about.....+10000 Utter disgrace. Odumber is playing into the out of work sack

It's funny and gives me pause. I thought Nixon on "Laugh In" was good for the office but Billy's "boxers or briefs" was a disgrace. The problem is IMO the former was both self-deprecating and humanizing. The second was driven by an agenda. This Leader O appearance is definitely in the latter category.

shill wrote:

Total disgrace the entire political fraud...and that's just what it is FRAUD.

[police cruiser siren wails...] you just threw a burning object out your window, so let's search your trunk to see if you have more of that crap in there.

Right, that's my point - Vegas moved away from 'sin city' in the sleazy 70s to family fun in the ronnie years and then to dreams of big-ticket glitz in the bubble years - time to go back to the sleaze, and that means tolerated Currently Smoking Cannibis and an end on the blue-nose facade in:re Just Pullin' Yer Leg in clark county, if they want to keep that employment from freefalling.

Anyone can play blackjack and get a resort-style massage in hundreds of indian casinos. But a safe, legal chance to freebase all weekend with a pair of quality VD-tested erotic professionals and top it off with an NFL bet with a screen as big as a football field is the kind of thing that can still trump AC, Macao and Injun Joe's house of craps.

Of course, as always, I'm at least a decade ahead of things.

Rob Dawg wrote:

Massive dislocations as almost every form of economic activity redeploys in the face of a new tax. The VAT would create a massive underground economy of cash and barter for starters

I'm using a lot of cash right now and amazing the voluntary discounts......20% off my mechanics bill 2 days ago.

CalculatedRisk wrote:

Since growth is sluggish, the business leaders have too much time

And sadly BoDs are asleep, because that is also the set of leaders who are expendable.

For the record, Obama is not the first president to go on daytime "chat" television.

Memo to Media: Obama is not "the first sitting president to appear on a daytime talk show" | Media Matters for America

MP re-read the post that was not my comment IT WAS THE AUTHORS.

volker the viking wrote:

Dr Phil is NOT chat

Loony Tunes are documentaries?

The Work Of Depressions - Paul Krugman Blog - NYTimes.com

" the vast majority of job losses have occurred in parts of the economy with little direct connection to the housing bubble"
"why we shouldn’t be using policy in an attempt to prevent vast job losses in parts of the economy that aren’t overblown."

--

Maybe we should look at why there are so many job losses in parts of the economy that are not overblown before throwing 'policy' at everything.

126 weeks collecting his Welfare ( oh wait un-employment check )
This dollar number doesn't add up to squat compared to the likes of a Bell official retirement pay, Congressmen perks and retirement packages, lobbyist and banker pension and salary gouging, CEO pay, state and county official pay outs, prison, police, fire.....etc etc etc....the looting is not in oakland or south la....its much less visible.

call it welfare but it pales in comparison to the looting of america..

You're really onto something, Pavlovegas had never considered going after the meth dollar before...

creditcriminalslovetarp wrote:

looting of america

I wanna get me some loot

Give it up mp. Facts are not important any longer. According to the rightie emails that go around, he's also the first to put his feet up on the desk in the oval office, the first to not go to Arlington on Memorial day, the first Muslim etc. etc. etc. Of course none of it is actually...you know..true but why let facts get in the way of a great narrative?

Comrade Kristina wrote:

why let facts get in the way of a great narrative?

because facts ruin a good story well told

Sippn wrote:

I'm using a lot of cash right now and amazing the voluntary discounts......20% off my mechanics bill 2 days ago.

Underground Economy FTW! You go. Short -yogi's "digital cash" however. Paypal is just too transprent to the Steve.

If we drop the bomb on Iran, can we start calling what we're doing for what it is?

Crusades for the military industrial complex

From Dean Baker -

The uncertainty of businesses does not explain their reluctance to add workers. If this were the case, then businesses would be increasing the number of hours worked per worker. While average weekly hours are up somewhat from the low hit last fall, they are still down by 0.7 hours from their pre-recession level. This indicates that firms are not hiring because they have no need of additional labor

.

[police cruiser siren wails...] you just threw a burning object out your window, so let's search your trunk to see if you have more of that crap in there.

Bahh! Cops is the least i fear, I have 2 in the family, trust me if it were not for their authority it wouldn't surprise me if either of them could count past 10.

shill wrote:

MP re-read the post that was not my comment IT WAS THE AUTHORS.

Apparently you agree with it.

Shill wrote:

Now that is what I am talking about.....+10000 Utter disgrace

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Crusades for the military industrial complex

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest the resolution will be more peaceful for most, and maybe a bit dicey for the government of Iran. They don't know it yet, but the fix is in and their supposed silent ally (China) is in on it.

some people are so easy to trip up, as they fall on their own lies...

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Apparently you agree with it.

Shill wrote:

Now that is what I am talking about.....+10000 Utter disgrace

I agree with the Prozac induce shit bags...I'll be sure and call the rest out for specifics in a post as well.

Look for it soon. And besides that I DO AGREE WITH IT.

Oh, please wise one, regale us with tales of selling people with SNAP cards damn near anything they wanted in your store, but it's ok because everybody else was doing it.

CalculatedRisk wrote:

Since growth is sluggish, the business leaders have too much time - and start complaining about what they always complain about.

Yeah, ever heard of a business leader who doesn't want to make more money by any means possible?

Edit: Sorry, that tone did not come out right, was agreeing with you.

Vic wrote:

Yeah, ever heard of a business leader who doesn't want to make more money by any means possible?

Yvon Chouinard.

Comrade Kristina wrote:

Give it up mp. Facts are not important any longer.

It's like it's 1963 again. I can literally feel it, just as I could in '63. There's an Oswald out there somewhere.

Beck's incendiary angst is dangerously close to having a body count | Media Matters for America

shill wrote:

For the record, Obama is the first President ever to go on daytime "chat" television.

Your record is quite dissonant and broken.

Rob Dawg wrote:

Underground Economy FTW! You go. Short -yogi's "digital cash" however. Paypal is just too transprent to the

I watched a guy (from afar) recruit cash trades to owner build his mansion pulling it from the restaurant tills. Explained it to a pair of govt auditors who really weren't interested unless there was a paper trail. They only audit the idiots who file. You buy discounted services using tax free $ and its pretty large on a $2 mil project. My guess $500K

CalculatedRisk wrote:

The reason they are not investing is there is too much capacity and not enough demand.

Isn't this more of an argument about price?

Not necessarily. For example, say a house you liked finally dropped to 'your' price. Would you buy? Would your answer be the same if you thought the price would continue down another 25 percent?

LOL! This fits right in with CR's astute analysis upthread.

Chicken and egg? Methinks too many pumpers and dumpers are looking into a 'new reality' of uncertainty against a backdrop too much capacity and not enough demand with not enough actual productive endeavors that would fuel demand!! Main Street continues to be ignored of course...until....

U.S. stock decline moderates with GDP coming Market Snapshot - MarketWatch

....
"The market is dealing with a bunch of conflicting signals," said Peter Boockvar, equity strategist at Miller Tabak.
....

Sad to say the signals on Main Street are not conflicted at all, everyone is just plain scared No one 17 and under admitted less.

Rob Dawg wrote:

Massive dislocations as almost every form of economic activity redeploys in the face of a new tax. The VAT would create a massive underground economy of cash and barter for starters. Prop 13 being abolished by say a Federal Receiver of the bankrupt State would equally set off a mad scramble to trade properties at new presumed values. If my property taxes were to triple so that my neighbors could go down 30% the value of my house would go down by $200k and his by $400k. I know, weird but that's the kind of disruption I'm talking about. A national VAT reshuffles the entire economy.

I have to admit, liberal as I am, that I really liked Dubai, where there were no taxes and regulation. Enough to give all the free market people on this board a 6 foot boner.

Except, you know, it crashed and vaporized. You know, that little one negative.

The interesting point there is that the government owns everything, including DEWA, the power and water company. So if it were really to go bust: no desalinated drinking water.

Dubai: the logical conclusion of the Starve the Beast approach to governing.

Rob Dawg wrote:

Yvon Chouinard.

Patagonia. One of my favorite stores.

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