For the sake of decency and to avoid a debacle reminiscent of the Paul Wellstone funeral, it would be best to avoid demeaning this tribute/memorial post by exploiting it to take cheap shots at Bush or others, even if you believe MI would agree with it.
She seemed loony to me. It's surprising that readers of a blog that is oriented towards deep analytical thinking would like someone who was really a polemicist and a name caller.
You can be for or against the war in Iraq, but a large part of her columns were sound-bite style snips at the President.
"The president of the United States does not have the sense that God gave a duck. So it's up to us. You and me." (Ivins' 2nd to last column opening line). Separation of writer and message is disrespect to the passion of the writer. Fire "cheap shots" galore, there have been too many times in the last few years where disagreement over tactics and approaches has been equated to being a traitor. It's a pity that so much time over the last few years has been wasted by listening to memebers of the right wing echo chamber such as Limbaugh instead of careful consideration of commentators like Ivins.
She really had this guy pegged way back, I have known George W. Bush slightly since we were both in high school, and I studied him closely as governor. He is neither mean nor stupid. What we have here is a man shaped by three intertwining strands of Texas culture, combined with huge blinkers of class. The three Texas themes are religiosity, anti-intellectualism, and machismo. They all play well politically with certain constituencies.
She knew herself pretty well too... I was reading one of her obits yesterday where they said she never shied away from 'admitting' she was liberal... that she even felt bad for poor old Richard Nixon... As she put it... "but then liberals will be liberal and hearts they gotta bleed." Something like that.
She will be missed but not forgotten. We'll hear her quips from time to time for the rest of our lives - not unlike Will Rogers.
FoolsMate, let me explain something to you. The "Wellstone Funeral" thing is over. Seriously over. Way over, long gone, Ms. Speaker Pelosi-to-you kind of gone. Pearl-clutching over how tasteless we are who mourn the ones who died on their feet by refusing to roll over and die no longer works.
Molly Ivins forgot more about "decency" than you'll ever learn. She had a habit of noticing what the "decency brigade" hath wrought. She did not "hate" Bush. She made that clear dozens of times. She did not care about his private life. She could--being a Texan--occasionally find him charming. She did, however, expect him--or anyone to take that office--to be a competent president, and you may go back to her columns during the 2000 elections to find remarks about Bush as prescient as her writings during the run-up to the war. How did she manage this? She kept her eye on the ball. And when someone tried to tell her how "indecent" it was not to rally around the flag after 9/11 and just give Bush every benefit of every doubt, she threw back that magnificent head and laughed. And then got back to work doing what real reporters are supposed to do. It is not about what Molly "would have agreed with"; she would have been horrified to be "honored" that way. It's about what she did.
I've had a hard time with this one. She wrote some of her funniest columns during chemotherapy. She fought hard for her life. Pity is an insult to someone who spent the last week of her life--and she knew it was coming--starting an "old-fashioned newspaper crusade" against the war. She knew she was only going to be able to start it, not to finish it. She did it anyway, and I for one doubt she spent a lot of time worrying that somebody might find it indecent.
She refused to use the word "fearless" as a compliment--she had a deep and abiding fear of people who are fearless. "Bravery" was one of her highest compliments, by which she meant being afraid to do it but doing it anyway. I think her highest compliment to anyone, however, was "gallantry." As she wrote in her obituary of Jessica Mitford--and if you think your own funeral, whenever it comes to pass, will be "decent," you owe that in large measure to Mitford:
"Decca Mitford was not fearless. She was brave. Much as she ridiculed those English public-school virtues, like pluck and spunk, she was herself guilty of one of them: She was gallant. Her gallantry was beyond simple courage. It sometimes takes courage to see injustice and then stand up and denounce it. Gallantry requires doing so without ever becoming bitter; gallantry requires humor and honor."
Into the unspeakable bitterness of this war--the war itself, the poisonous demonizing of its opponents--Molly Ivins typed out sentences of such gallantry that I, for one, am left without a shred of humor on the subject. Until tomorrow, when I go re-read some of Molly's funniest lines and get over it.
"The president of the United States does not have the sense that God gave a duck. So it's up to us. You and me."
I just don't get how anyone could have read this stuff over the years and still give her any respect. Even Rush tries to make a point and uses reason. Ivins was just the lowest common denominator of populist insult throwing. To a large degree, increased political polarization results from this style of message.
You can point out lots of reasons why the Iraq war was a good or bad idea. But when you just start with this sort of invective then you should lose your legitimacy in any discussion.
And it's also silly to say that she was "brave". It would be brave to criticize the Chinese government when you are living in Shangzen. It's not brave to criticize the US gvt to a large, loving, and largely uncritical left-wing audience. Using the word "brave" for her is an insult to bravery.
Yeah, Molly really shook the walls with her clarion call. As Josh notes she was an echo chamber of The Nation, The Progressive, etc. preaching to a totally uncritical audience, wrapped up in a pseudo-populist Texas pose. She knew George W. Bush? So did 7/8 of the self-important people in Texas over the age of 55.
"I just don't get how anyone could have read this stuff over the years and still give her any respect. Even Rush tries to make a point and uses reason. Ivins was just the lowest common denominator of populist insult throwing. To a large degree, increased political polarization results from this style of message.
You can point out lots of reasons why the Iraq war was a good or bad idea. But when you just start with this sort of invective then you should lose your legitimacy in any discussion."
I agree. I have nothing against the lady personally, I respect the fact that she didn't just curl up and pass without doing something she thought was important. And no, I don't think those against the war are traitors or commies or less than true citizens. However, her style was clearly shrill and invective...she did not speak for America and was not the voice of reason while Americas "collective" mind was lost. My mind was not lost, perhaps some were. She had an opinion and was no worse or better than any other commentator with a bias.
say what u want, she was right about iraq. bush was wrong, and worse has refused to admit it (being wrong is when those texas values of anti-intellectualism and machismo can really bite you on the ass)
everyone who supported the war--everyone--has forfeited the right to have a voice in this going forward
it was not hard to call
those who were informed knew there were no wmd and that taking out saddam would unleash civil war(remember powell? u breakit u buy it) the right wing 'patriots' blinded by ideology (and self interest--$$$) got us here and all of our children will grow up in a more dangerous world because of those texas 'values'...
I think of her as a latter day Mark Twain in terms of the style of her writing. Satirical, peceptive, biting, funny. Painful for those afflicted by the opposing view. Reaching a wider audience for some very important issues through the use of humor. Twain was a populist, but being a populist did not make him wrong. Same with Ivins-she was very perceptive about the war in Iraq from early on-saying before it begain that the "peace" would be harder than the war, and that with a 60-20-20 (Shiite, Sunni, Kurd) split in the Iraq population was a recipe for a civil war. Every country needs someone to proclaim the emperor's nakedness, and not just in a scholarly manner buried in an issue of Foreign Policy.
Tanta, I do believe it is possible to mourn one's passing, while honoring their strongly held beliefs, without resorting to vindictive ad hominen attacks. Putting aside all breathless rhetoric and cliches, this is what happened in the second post in this thread and it is indecent. Decency requires restraint here, and it would no matter who is Speaker. It also requires restraint in terms of speaking badly of the deceased, which is also in poor taste. Baseless judgments of my own personal character, which you couldn't possibly know enough about to make, are also pointless.
One needn't agree with a writer's opinions to recognize the importance of the sharing of his/her voice and perspective to round out discussion on matters of import. I applaud Molly Ivins for her courage to be an independent thinker and admire her talent to voice it in a way that shocked and entertained. I hope that should I have to fight a health battle such as hers, I could do it with measures of the grace, valor and, most importantly, humor as she modeled.
So Molly passes away and the event is construed like a football game: those for or against Ivins.
Foolsmate, nothing personal but do mull over your carefully scripted:
Baseless judgments of my own personal character, which you couldn't possibly know enough about to make, are also pointless.
and concede that your feathers have been ruffled and, that whatever judgments you have of your "own personal character", it may need some revision...and it appears there are some of us who will supply the help, since you are asking.
Observe your well-articulated sentiments, those carefully constructed arguments and the sophisticated language of all that Education.
Molly discards that artifice.
She was shrill and full of invective, and some of her criticisms were downright unfair. But a) she was right a lot, and b) she was funny. Good enough reasons for me to mourn her passing.
I didn't need another reason to have a crush on you. You had me at "snow loans". But I'm with you all the way on this one and a big hug for your words.
I too am surprised to see CR's paean to Molly Ivins; pleasantly surprised. My expectation on a blog dedicated to investments, RE, and finance is that it'd be populated by the navy-blazer staunch GOP set, who would likely rejoice at Molly's passing. Because she showed them inconvenient truths, IMHO.
Hearing the supportive voices who understood who she was and what she tried to do on this blog just serves as one confirmation for me that this is a place on the Net where I can feel at home. The fact that others can respectively differ in opinion (JoshK) is a second reason. He's wrong, but entitled.
Last, I know CR is also a place that values proper grammar, which is why the "it's collective mind" error may soon be corrected.
LOL - Why is it these days that whenever some commentator's viewpoint doesn't agree with our own we automatically say that they have "lost credibility" or "are taking cheap shots"? When did we transition from being able to have a public debate to feeling that disagreement is evidence of insanity or disloyalty on the speaker's part. Jeez Louise, grow up people!
Fine, Molly was Liberal. Heck, she admitted it. Rush is a conservative, I think it's safe to say we got that too. Personally, I like to consider myself cranky and irate moderate these days. I dislike opinionated buffoons that represent opinion as fact. In that respect Molly gets my vote of confidence. I would feel a little better about Rush if he would be a little less holier-than-thou and more open on his sources and facts (both good and bad).
I also dislike people who aren't willing to take a pragmatic approach to solving a problem and, more importantly, go sailing blissfully into the gathering storm while taking the rest of us along for the ride. No one, regardless of rank, privilege or education, is so perfect that they get it right every single time and shouldn't therefore listen to what other voices have to say. This is particularly the case where those decisions affect the lives of others. If you don't like what they have to say, that's just too damn bad, swallow your pride and listen anyways, you might just learn something even if you don't end up changing your mind and you may avoid making a costly mistake.
For the record, Foolsmate, with the number of fruitcakes that are out there these days (on both the left and right) I consider what Molly did, standing up against the tide of mass opinion of the time, just as brave as standing up against the tanks of Tianamen Square. Would any of us have had the guts to have done the same to make a point? It takes serious intestinal fortitude to try to disagree in such a public fashion with public opinion and those in power, particularly when those in power don't want to hear it. This is part of a journalist's job, and I for one am glad Molly remembered that, even when everyone else in the fourth estate seemed to have forgotten. Being a journalist (or a columnist) means that you should be an equal opportunity mud-thrower in my opinion, but particular attention should be given to those in power.
Ps.-- Being from Minnesota, I lived through the "Wellstone Funeral" and it's aftermath. Heck, I even had met Wellstone at my local gym a week before he died in that plane crash. I have also met his replacement, Republican Senator Norm Coleman (my former mayor in St.Paul) and was not as similarly impressed. Before the funeral, Wellstone's campaign replacement, former Vice-President Mondale, was a shoe-in to win; Coleman's camp was prepping the concession speach. Believe me, the vote was not so much "for Coleman" as it was against the social gaff of a few Wellstone aides. These aides, who eventhough pr
Believe me, the vote was not so much "for Coleman" as it was against the social gaff of a few Wellstone aides. These aides, who eventhough probably well meaning and more than likely hurting from the sudden loss of their boss, unthinkingly poured their emotion into turning his funeral memorial into an overt campaign rally. In doing so they hurled more than a few provocative and blatant partisan digs at the gathered opposition politicians who were there for the memorial, all while the proceedings were being broadcast state-wide.
The predictable result was an un-earned win for Coleman.
94121, thanks for the nice words. And, yes, the error has now been corrected. It's easy to miss certain errors without a careful reread.
You don't how many times I've used the wrong their, they're, there in my first draft ... my fingers are faster than my brain. Orwell would probably object to the phrase "lost its collective minds" as trite. Oh well, Tanta is the real writer here!
This one cracks me up so much I had to repeat it...
Even Rush tries to make a point and uses reason.
The only thing the Molly Ivins & Rush Limbaugh might have in common were some of their medications. Of course the late Ms Ivins had a legitimate reason to have them.
Molly Ivins, the penultimate Happy Warrior.
CR, maybe you know. Did she really go to school with The Decider?
Well, George went to Andover, which, at the time, was all-male. So their paths must have crossed before that.
But one of them was a cry-baby and a suck-up and one of them wasn't. I don't think it really matters where they went to school.
Molly was just great. I sure will miss her wit.
For the sake of decency and to avoid a debacle reminiscent of the Paul Wellstone funeral, it would be best to avoid demeaning this tribute/memorial post by exploiting it to take cheap shots at Bush or others, even if you believe MI would agree with it.
Shot? Yes. Cheap? No.
Cheap shots are when you send young men and women to be murdered in a foreign country because you want to emulate Ronald Reagan.
I'll miss Molly Ivins, too. Like Ann Richards, she demonstrated that Texas can produce truly great women. Hardly could be said of its men.
Thanks for the lesson in etiquette.
She seemed loony to me. It's surprising that readers of a blog that is oriented towards deep analytical thinking would like someone who was really a polemicist and a name caller.
You can be for or against the war in Iraq, but a large part of her columns were sound-bite style snips at the President.
"The president of the United States does not have the sense that God gave a duck. So it's up to us. You and me." (Ivins' 2nd to last column opening line). Separation of writer and message is disrespect to the passion of the writer. Fire "cheap shots" galore, there have been too many times in the last few years where disagreement over tactics and approaches has been equated to being a traitor. It's a pity that so much time over the last few years has been wasted by listening to memebers of the right wing echo chamber such as Limbaugh instead of careful consideration of commentators like Ivins.
Damn! She was the only writer I enjoyed reading on the Chicago Tribune editorial pages.
FYI: Apparently, their paths crossed in high school, according to this:
The Uncompassionate Conservative | Mother Jones
She really had this guy pegged way back, I have known George W. Bush slightly since we were both in high school, and I studied him closely as governor. He is neither mean nor stupid. What we have here is a man shaped by three intertwining strands of Texas culture, combined with huge blinkers of class. The three Texas themes are religiosity, anti-intellectualism, and machismo. They all play well politically with certain constituencies.
She seemed a brave soul.
She seemed a brave soul.
She knew herself pretty well too... I was reading one of her obits yesterday where they said she never shied away from 'admitting' she was liberal... that she even felt bad for poor old Richard Nixon... As she put it... "but then liberals will be liberal and hearts they gotta bleed." Something like that.
She will be missed but not forgotten. We'll hear her quips from time to time for the rest of our lives - not unlike Will Rogers.
"For the sake of decency."
FoolsMate, let me explain something to you. The "Wellstone Funeral" thing is over. Seriously over. Way over, long gone, Ms. Speaker Pelosi-to-you kind of gone. Pearl-clutching over how tasteless we are who mourn the ones who died on their feet by refusing to roll over and die no longer works.
Molly Ivins forgot more about "decency" than you'll ever learn. She had a habit of noticing what the "decency brigade" hath wrought. She did not "hate" Bush. She made that clear dozens of times. She did not care about his private life. She could--being a Texan--occasionally find him charming. She did, however, expect him--or anyone to take that office--to be a competent president, and you may go back to her columns during the 2000 elections to find remarks about Bush as prescient as her writings during the run-up to the war. How did she manage this? She kept her eye on the ball. And when someone tried to tell her how "indecent" it was not to rally around the flag after 9/11 and just give Bush every benefit of every doubt, she threw back that magnificent head and laughed. And then got back to work doing what real reporters are supposed to do. It is not about what Molly "would have agreed with"; she would have been horrified to be "honored" that way. It's about what she did.
I've had a hard time with this one. She wrote some of her funniest columns during chemotherapy. She fought hard for her life. Pity is an insult to someone who spent the last week of her life--and she knew it was coming--starting an "old-fashioned newspaper crusade" against the war. She knew she was only going to be able to start it, not to finish it. She did it anyway, and I for one doubt she spent a lot of time worrying that somebody might find it indecent.
She refused to use the word "fearless" as a compliment--she had a deep and abiding fear of people who are fearless. "Bravery" was one of her highest compliments, by which she meant being afraid to do it but doing it anyway. I think her highest compliment to anyone, however, was "gallantry." As she wrote in her obituary of Jessica Mitford--and if you think your own funeral, whenever it comes to pass, will be "decent," you owe that in large measure to Mitford:
"Decca Mitford was not fearless. She was brave. Much as she ridiculed those English public-school virtues, like pluck and spunk, she was herself guilty of one of them: She was gallant. Her gallantry was beyond simple courage. It sometimes takes courage to see injustice and then stand up and denounce it. Gallantry requires doing so without ever becoming bitter; gallantry requires humor and honor."
Into the unspeakable bitterness of this war--the war itself, the poisonous demonizing of its opponents--Molly Ivins typed out sentences of such gallantry that I, for one, am left without a shred of humor on the subject. Until tomorrow, when I go re-read some of Molly's funniest lines and get over it.
"The president of the United States does not have the sense that God gave a duck. So it's up to us. You and me."
I just don't get how anyone could have read this stuff over the years and still give her any respect. Even Rush tries to make a point and uses reason. Ivins was just the lowest common denominator of populist insult throwing. To a large degree, increased political polarization results from this style of message.
You can point out lots of reasons why the Iraq war was a good or bad idea. But when you just start with this sort of invective then you should lose your legitimacy in any discussion.
And it's also silly to say that she was "brave". It would be brave to criticize the Chinese government when you are living in Shangzen. It's not brave to criticize the US gvt to a large, loving, and largely uncritical left-wing audience. Using the word "brave" for her is an insult to bravery.
Tanta, thanks for that excerpt from Molly. She was a great inspiration to me - like a shining light on a very dark night.
I've been reading excerpts from her writings all morning.
Best Wishes.
"She will be missed but not forgotten. We'll hear her quips from time to time for the rest of our lives - not unlike Will Rogers."
Wow, that's a stretch.
Yeah, Molly really shook the walls with her clarion call. As Josh notes she was an echo chamber of The Nation, The Progressive, etc. preaching to a totally uncritical audience, wrapped up in a pseudo-populist Texas pose. She knew George W. Bush? So did 7/8 of the self-important people in Texas over the age of 55.
"I just don't get how anyone could have read this stuff over the years and still give her any respect. Even Rush tries to make a point and uses reason. Ivins was just the lowest common denominator of populist insult throwing. To a large degree, increased political polarization results from this style of message.
You can point out lots of reasons why the Iraq war was a good or bad idea. But when you just start with this sort of invective then you should lose your legitimacy in any discussion."
I agree. I have nothing against the lady personally, I respect the fact that she didn't just curl up and pass without doing something she thought was important. And no, I don't think those against the war are traitors or commies or less than true citizens. However, her style was clearly shrill and invective...she did not speak for America and was not the voice of reason while Americas "collective" mind was lost. My mind was not lost, perhaps some were. She had an opinion and was no worse or better than any other commentator with a bias.
say what u want, she was right about iraq. bush was wrong, and worse has refused to admit it (being wrong is when those texas values of anti-intellectualism and machismo can really bite you on the ass)
everyone who supported the war--everyone--has forfeited the right to have a voice in this going forward
it was not hard to call
those who were informed knew there were no wmd and that taking out saddam would unleash civil war(remember powell? u breakit u buy it) the right wing 'patriots' blinded by ideology (and self interest--$$$) got us here and all of our children will grow up in a more dangerous world because of those texas 'values'...
producer--u r right, there is one way that the war was good
it was good for ira
producer--u r right, there is one way that the war was good
it was good for ira
I think of her as a latter day Mark Twain in terms of the style of her writing. Satirical, peceptive, biting, funny. Painful for those afflicted by the opposing view. Reaching a wider audience for some very important issues through the use of humor. Twain was a populist, but being a populist did not make him wrong. Same with Ivins-she was very perceptive about the war in Iraq from early on-saying before it begain that the "peace" would be harder than the war, and that with a 60-20-20 (Shiite, Sunni, Kurd) split in the Iraq population was a recipe for a civil war. Every country needs someone to proclaim the emperor's nakedness, and not just in a scholarly manner buried in an issue of Foreign Policy.
Funny, I can't think of ANY reasons the Iraq war was a good idea. I can, however, think of THOUSANDS of reasons it was an insane idea.
Tanta, I do believe it is possible to mourn one's passing, while honoring their strongly held beliefs, without resorting to vindictive ad hominen attacks. Putting aside all breathless rhetoric and cliches, this is what happened in the second post in this thread and it is indecent. Decency requires restraint here, and it would no matter who is Speaker. It also requires restraint in terms of speaking badly of the deceased, which is also in poor taste. Baseless judgments of my own personal character, which you couldn't possibly know enough about to make, are also pointless.
I heard a Molly Ivins interview on NPR last night (a rebroadcast, of course).
She came across as just another Democrat loyalist who thinks Bush is evil/dumb, and hates america.
I guess it was her (carefully perserved) texan accent that made her stand out.
Revealing to see that her voice continues to echo.
One needn't agree with a writer's opinions to recognize the importance of the sharing of his/her voice and perspective to round out discussion on matters of import. I applaud Molly Ivins for her courage to be an independent thinker and admire her talent to voice it in a way that shocked and entertained. I hope that should I have to fight a health battle such as hers, I could do it with measures of the grace, valor and, most importantly, humor as she modeled.
So Molly passes away and the event is construed like a football game: those for or against Ivins.
Foolsmate, nothing personal but do mull over your carefully scripted:
and concede that your feathers have been ruffled and, that whatever judgments you have of your "own personal character", it may need some revision...and it appears there are some of us who will supply the help, since you are asking.
Observe your well-articulated sentiments, those carefully constructed arguments and the sophisticated language of all that Education.
Molly discards that artifice.
She was shrill and full of invective, and some of her criticisms were downright unfair. But a) she was right a lot, and b) she was funny. Good enough reasons for me to mourn her passing.
Tanta,
I didn't need another reason to have a crush on you. You had me at "snow loans". But I'm with you all the way on this one and a big hug for your words.
I too am surprised to see CR's paean to Molly Ivins; pleasantly surprised. My expectation on a blog dedicated to investments, RE, and finance is that it'd be populated by the navy-blazer staunch GOP set, who would likely rejoice at Molly's passing. Because she showed them inconvenient truths, IMHO.
Hearing the supportive voices who understood who she was and what she tried to do on this blog just serves as one confirmation for me that this is a place on the Net where I can feel at home. The fact that others can respectively differ in opinion (JoshK) is a second reason. He's wrong, but entitled.
Last, I know CR is also a place that values proper grammar, which is why the "it's collective mind" error may soon be corrected.
LOL - Why is it these days that whenever some commentator's viewpoint doesn't agree with our own we automatically say that they have "lost credibility" or "are taking cheap shots"? When did we transition from being able to have a public debate to feeling that disagreement is evidence of insanity or disloyalty on the speaker's part. Jeez Louise, grow up people!
Fine, Molly was Liberal. Heck, she admitted it. Rush is a conservative, I think it's safe to say we got that too. Personally, I like to consider myself cranky and irate moderate these days. I dislike opinionated buffoons that represent opinion as fact. In that respect Molly gets my vote of confidence. I would feel a little better about Rush if he would be a little less holier-than-thou and more open on his sources and facts (both good and bad).
I also dislike people who aren't willing to take a pragmatic approach to solving a problem and, more importantly, go sailing blissfully into the gathering storm while taking the rest of us along for the ride. No one, regardless of rank, privilege or education, is so perfect that they get it right every single time and shouldn't therefore listen to what other voices have to say. This is particularly the case where those decisions affect the lives of others. If you don't like what they have to say, that's just too damn bad, swallow your pride and listen anyways, you might just learn something even if you don't end up changing your mind and you may avoid making a costly mistake.
For the record, Foolsmate, with the number of fruitcakes that are out there these days (on both the left and right) I consider what Molly did, standing up against the tide of mass opinion of the time, just as brave as standing up against the tanks of Tianamen Square. Would any of us have had the guts to have done the same to make a point? It takes serious intestinal fortitude to try to disagree in such a public fashion with public opinion and those in power, particularly when those in power don't want to hear it. This is part of a journalist's job, and I for one am glad Molly remembered that, even when everyone else in the fourth estate seemed to have forgotten. Being a journalist (or a columnist) means that you should be an equal opportunity mud-thrower in my opinion, but particular attention should be given to those in power.
Ps.-- Being from Minnesota, I lived through the "Wellstone Funeral" and it's aftermath. Heck, I even had met Wellstone at my local gym a week before he died in that plane crash. I have also met his replacement, Republican Senator Norm Coleman (my former mayor in St.Paul) and was not as similarly impressed. Before the funeral, Wellstone's campaign replacement, former Vice-President Mondale, was a shoe-in to win; Coleman's camp was prepping the concession speach. Believe me, the vote was not so much "for Coleman" as it was against the social gaff of a few Wellstone aides. These aides, who eventhough pr
Believe me, the vote was not so much "for Coleman" as it was against the social gaff of a few Wellstone aides. These aides, who eventhough probably well meaning and more than likely hurting from the sudden loss of their boss, unthinkingly poured their emotion into turning his funeral memorial into an overt campaign rally. In doing so they hurled more than a few provocative and blatant partisan digs at the gathered opposition politicians who were there for the memorial, all while the proceedings were being broadcast state-wide.
The predictable result was an un-earned win for Coleman.
94121, thanks for the nice words. And, yes, the error has now been corrected. It's easy to miss certain errors without a careful reread.
You don't how many times I've used the wrong their, they're, there in my first draft ... my fingers are faster than my brain. Orwell would probably object to the phrase "lost its collective minds" as trite. Oh well, Tanta is the real writer here!
Best Wishes.
This one cracks me up so much I had to repeat it...
Even Rush tries to make a point and uses reason.
The only thing the Molly Ivins & Rush Limbaugh might have in common were some of their medications. Of course the late Ms Ivins had a legitimate reason to have them.
"everyone who supported the war--everyone--has forfeited the right to have a voice in this going forward"
Ok Hitler, whatever you say.
"producer--u r right, there is one way that the war was good
it was good for iran"
You must have confused me with someone else, I did not say that.