January Employment Report

First!!!

My you get up early. At 6AM PST, BLS is up as is my rather late Angrybear post on the Employment Report.

From page 5 of the BLS report...

The total nonfarm employment level for March 2006 was revised upward
by 752,000 (754,000 on a seasonally adjusted basis). The previously published level for December 2006 was revised upward by 981,000 (933,000 on a seasonally adjusted basis).

That is a staggeringly large miss from their month-to-month reports vs yearly revision. The word BODACIOUS comes to mind.

Makes you wonder why the Fed & others even look at the monthly data - when almost an order of magnitude revision is likely to follow a year later.

Is the BLS feeding them better info that 'we' get?

dryfly, this is an unsually large annual revision (first reported back in October, so it's not a surprise). But it does raise questions about the BLS methodology.

Best Wishes.

Dryfly - the large revision is based on the discrepancy between survey data and state tax reports. The last time they deviated significantly was in the runup to the 2001 recession. This can be an indicator of lagging employment in large firms with the slack being taken up in self/small business/contracting employment. However, the discrepancy for 2006 was huge.

Off topic, but relevant: Coast Bank is up for sale. For those less familiar with the banking world, most banks unable to meet their capital reserve requirements are sold these days:
"Thomas believes that it was likely the federal agency that encouraged the bank's Bradenton-based parent, Coast Financial Holdings Inc., to hire investment banking firm Sandler O'Neill & Partners to explore options."

This is one I am watching carefully, because this bank was, I believe, started with a sale in mind. If it does not sell quickly, it will be indicative of banking nerves. I'd hate to be on the due diligence for this one!!!

I've not seen the ~7 million gap pulled from 01-04 made up.

The revisions published today are large, but not a surprise. It was in the August report, I think, when the preliminary revisions up to March were published. That's a six-month lag in getting it kinda right, and a 10-month lag for precision. The precision doesn't matter all that much, because the magnitudes reported back in September were roughly correct. Fed guys were heard to moan about the implications for productivity back then.

The miss was huge, but does not seem to have had much impact on policy. The jobs report contains lots of other data that policy makers use to assess the tightness of the labor market and the inflationary risks from compensation and other factors related to the labor market. This is not to say that the big miss by BLS is OK. It was huge. Fed policy, on the other hand, seems to have run along just about as it would have, even if the net hiring data had been more accurate.

In construction, illegal immigrants do suffer first - they are cheaper to lay-off. This is why it's so slow to show-up.

CR, every month you've shown your first graph before, the red line was right in the exact middle of the grey wedge. This time it's above it. Have you dropped the extrapolation lines?

I don't understand how it's possible for retail employment to show gains in January over December. People shop like crazy in December, stores hire extra workers to deal with it, and then in January people go back to work and school.

Obviously the magic of economics is beyond my simple-minded engineering brain.

One thing that concerns me a bit about this report is that household survey only showed 31K new jobs.

The nonfarm payrolls report has much more clout, but the household survey has been more accurate the past few years. These latest revisions to the past nonfarm payrolls bring them closer to what the household survey has been saying all along.

foo,

It's because the data are seasonally adjusted. If you dig into the report to look at the not seasonally adjusted numbers, you'll indeed see that December has more retail jobs.

Mark, I didn't change the shaded area - this shows the significance of the revisions.

foo, these are seasonally adjusted numbers. There are always a large number of net jobs lost in January - this January was no different with 2.8 million net jobs lost. That is the seasonal pattern.

Best to all.

If only 6 million of the employed are illegals the E/P is less than 61%.

I'd hate to be on the due diligence for this one!!!

I, on the other hand, would volunteer with a great deal of enthusiasm. As long as the "due diligence" in question involves the examination of the past examinations of this outfit. I would be exceptionally interested in discovering just how the greenest of greenhorn FDIC examiners missed the fact that this bank was, in essence, "disguising" a huge commercial spec construction loan as a series of "residential construction loans" in order to get past concentration limits and loan committee approval, not to mention elementary underwriting of the builder. I mean, that scam has grey hairs on it. A residential construction lending program that does not track and board-report on builder concentration, while allowing "No Doc" loans to the "borrower of record"? That didn't smell funny?

It just blows me away that we all sit here worrying about exotic derivatives and Star Trek-quality VAR models, while Coast pulls off an oldie from the low-tech S&L days right in front of the FDIC. Then, suddenly, the FDIC "remembers" the lesson of the S&L crisis, which was to put those undercapitalized little time bombs on the market. You're certainly right that this is all going to tell us something about "nerve."

The big eraser job.
So not the 810k as reported earlier but only 750k to March (but 980k to Dec?)...still ~3 times the usual benchmark adjustment.

But we are to suspend whatevaitwas and not wonder what could have happened in this past half decade that is so rife with government overreach that a thing like this could happen. [Do you have trouble with your suspenders too?]
Looks like we need to wait another month to see where these discovered jobs were allocated.
So were there construction jobs lost in the last month or was there really a small gain? Now there are those of us (pink pearls bulging from our pockets) who might be encouraged to say that we don't really know yet, but there are others who are not erasing those recent memories of abandoned construction sites, waiting for central command confirmation.

Could there have been a vast left wing conspiracy to understate employment leading into the midterm elections?

Anonymous (This Time), very funny! But in case you're serious: First the BLS announced the revisions BEFORE the elections. And second, the BLS is a very independent organization, and if there was outside pressure in any direction - it would make the news.

Best Wishes.

And the HB index continues to slaughter the shorts. Gates, Buffet, Icahn, et al have been and are making a tidy sum investing in the HB's and building materials firms.

It's off-topic, I know. But given the interest we have all expressed on housing and mortgage related topics, I couldn't help but point out the following: Friedman Billings Ramsey Group says that subprime mortgage default rates are now surpassing the dismal levels they hit in the midst of the 2001 recession. Specifically, as Bloomberg puts it, "the percentage of subprime mortgages packaged into bonds and delinquent by 90 days or more, in foreclosure or already turned into seized properties climbed to 10.09% [in November] from 9.08% in October." That tops the 20.05% default rate in November 2001, which was the end of the last recession.

How is this related to the jobs data? Well, according to all the "experts," you "can't" have these kind of default rates in a strong economy. But we are. Gotta love those black box models.

Anyway, I have some more at my blog:
Interest Rate Roundup

Here is the original story:
Subprime Loan Defaults Pass 2001 Peak, Friedman Says (Update4) - Bloomberg.com

My apologies if this has been posted or discussed already elsewhere.

I'm certainly not surprised by this. I've been saying for months and months that the subprime lending industry was in serious trouble. The industry tried to keep the boom going in 2004, 2005, and 2006 by progressively slashing lending standards more and more. Then you've got the problem of shoddy/fraudulent appraisals, overstated incomes, a slumping housing market, and more.

Moreover, this is happening DESPITE stronger-than expected economic growth (per the latest GDP stats) and the lowest unemployment rates we've seen in five years. According to the black box, "expert" models, that "can't" happen. But it is.

I'm not saying this is the end of the world or anything. But I am saying that you can't have the biggest housing bubble in the history of the U.S. ... and hand out mortgages on the easiest terms in history ... without expecting any fallout when the bubble bursts. Lots of people who should never have owned homes or gotten mortgages in the first place are going to have their financial lives ruined by foreclosure. And lots of investors in this junk mortgage paper are going to lose lots of money. Period. End of story.

Tanta,

Coast may be the thin edge of the wedge in Florida. So the boys from Lincoln decided to buy construction for 2nd homesloans via brokers in Cape Coral. Now they have 90+ delinquents at >10% of disbursed funds (and presumably rising). The gory details:


LINCOLN, Neb.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--TierOne Corporation (NASDAQ:TONE - News; "Company"), the holding company for TierOne Bank ("Bank"), today released additional information regarding the status of a group of its residential construction loans in southwest Florida.

The Bank's southwest Florida residential construction loans are located primarily in the Cape Coral area of Lee County. Each borrower possessed a strong credit score which met Fannie Mae or other secondary market underwriting guidelines and had also obtained a contractual commitment for permanent financing with third-party lenders upon completion of the residence.

Working with a local Florida-based mortgage brokerage firm, the Bank acquired numerous nine- to 18-month residential construction loans for individual homebuyers wishing to build a second or retirement home in the Cape Coral area. No Cape Coral loans have been acquired since December 31, 2005. None of these residential construction loans were made through the Bank's loan production offices which specialize primarily in real estate and construction lending to building contractors, not individual homebuyers.

A substantially higher than expected surge in residential construction building permit applications occurred in the Cape Coral area in early 2006 and resulted in unusual delays affecting the commencement of construction. In many cases, these delays extended beyond the original term of the residential construction loan. This backlog of residential construction permits awaiting issuance has substantially improved and the City of Cape Coral's permit issuance process has now returned to its normal four- to six-week time frame. As a result, several residential construction builders are currently fully engaged in actively constructing residential homes for the Bank's borrowers.

At December 31, 2006, residential construction loan commitments in the Cape Coral area amounted to $144.9 million with disbursed funds totaling $84.2 million. The Bank's Cape Coral loans have continued to decline as borrowers pay off loans. Loans 90-days or more delinquent totaled $9.4 million at December 31, 2006. Based on current information, the Bank believes it has sufficient general reserves in its allowance for loan losses.

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CR, it would appear, with this latest release, that your job losses in residential construction need to be revised upward.

Mike_in_Fl, I'm confused. How is 10.09% greater than 20.05%?

(I'm not trying to be snide. I'm sure you know what you are talking about, but I don't understand.)

mp, I was looking at that too. What are the explanations for the minimal residential construction job losses?

Possible reasons, off the top of my head:

1) the first people let go are cash workers (illegals) and they don't show up in the BLS stats.

2) employment follows completions (not starts), so even though starts are off about 25%, completions are off maybe 8% (employment is only off 3%).

3) Maybe companies are holding onto employees (cutting hours) hoping for a rebound in construction in the Spring.

4) Maybe my analysis is incorrect and the number of jobs barely changes even though the amount of work drops off significantly (unlikely from my business experience).

Best Wishes.

CR, I would be inclined to go with your #3 but, of course, that's speculation on my part.

ams -- That would be because I typed too fast! Should read 10.05% for the default rate in 2001. Good catch!

{I expect the rate of residential construction job losses to increase over the next few months.}

I do not understand how you will track those job losses. In my area most home construction is performed by contractors and sub contractors who use mostly day laborers who are paid in cash "off" the books.

Re: Limited losses in residential construction jobs

I know you’re all going to want to call me a heretic for this, but maybe housing is stabilizing. It’s sure starting to look like things have leveled off, at least for now.

Also, ECRI now says a recession is improbable for 2007. I can’t say I’m seeing much to disagree with them.

Steve - I don't see housing stabilizing, I don't know where you get that from... not that you could tell in winter anyway, we'll only know by mid-to-late summer if things are 'normalizing' if this Spring is strong.

As per the recession call - that I can see - while housing & sub-prime are hurting, debt based consumption is red hot & job growth 'more than adequate' to support it, at least for now.

By midsummer we'll have a better picture but my guess is it is a 'push'... similar conditions as now except more debt overall.

it would be interesting to see how illegals impacted the construction job gain/loss numbers over the past few years. some of the biggest bubble markets were in states with higher than average immigrant populations (arizona, cali, florida).

anon - everyone is assuming the illegals just quietly go home. You read that everywhere, including here.

I'm not so sure. Who works harder/longer without complaints? Who works cheaper? Who can survive a layoff (hunkered down) and come back on a moment's notice?

Who would be the LAST ones to join or form a union?

If you were a builder and under terrible price pressure, fearing failure, would you send your hardest cheapest workers home first?

Maybe I've been self-employed too long but I don't understand the 'conventional wisdom'.

Dryfly,

First, understand what I mean when I say stabilizing. I do not mean real estate has reached a bottom and is ready to resume it's assent to the heavens. Real estate is still at a level that is unsustainable in the long-term, but if the economy remains relatively healthy over the year, I think the level real estate is at may be sustainable in the short-term.

Take a look at CR’s REI as % of GDP chart:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_pMscxxELHEg/RcEGWge-4GI/AAAAAAAAABE/Nu4VOp6NCPs/s1600-h/RIGDPQ42006.jpg

All bottoms have been accompanied by a recession. But if we don’t have a recession this year, what’s to say we see the bottom of real estate this year or even next year?

Take another look at the chart and focus in on the 1981 area. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see something like that happen again. RE goes on hold for a bit, maybe even ticks up a bit, but it’s just treading water. As long as the economy is relatively healthy (say, 2%+ growth), I think the market will survive.

Once the recession comes, 2008 or 2009 perhaps, the other shoe drops.

dry

The only problem with your theory is cost of living. If and only if the illegals can hunker down. If they have no cash to fall back on, at some point they have to leave.

Granted they have a good ability to live cheap en mass, but they also start at a lower level of resources.

Otherwise, it makes business sense to keep your lowest paid workers.

vader I've lived in a number of towns with large populations of undocumented workers... you have no idea how low they can go before they throw in the towel. We haven't seen that kind of determination since Hooverville.

And most do have resources - large extended families. One job can be a toe hold for 2-3 families for an indefinite period of time.

If you doubt me check out a latino grocery & see how much bags of rice & pintos cost. Throw in some tortillas, some dried anchos, guajillos and or pasillas for mole and it isn't a lot different that back in Jalisco or Oaxaca.

Compare that with the average American worker with a large home, SUV, wife & kids who expect more than rice & beans and a two families in a two bedroom... and see who hangs in there longer.

My bet is with the illegals unless INS gets serious.

Steve - you might be right. Prices stay close to where they are now and 'freeze' there for a half decade or more. Meanwhile inflation eats away at their 'real' value but its a slow almost unnoticed erosion.

That is certainly possible & could be called 'stability' I suppose. Good point.

Steve, I can only see one spot on that chart with 5 consecutive quarters of decline that was not a recession ... that late 1995 time period.

It seems to be all you have to do is combine that chart with "a little" common sense observation.

In 1995-96 I was not a bear, I had my mutual funds and was optimistic that the job market was improving after sluggishly working out of the early 1990s.

We've now had about 4 quarters of drops on that graph --steep ones too-- and I feel like the economy and geopolitical situations are much more frail.

Mozo Maz,

So when does the recession start? More importantly, how does the recession start?

I look at the chart more as a measure of how defensive the environment is. Someone in the mid 1980's who took a bearish a read from it might have been waiting for years, for the recession of 1990.

But it surely did arrive... and 4 years of savings, would have been very meaningful to someone laid off in that recession and facing a career change.

Right now I still think we will continue to plod through most of 2007 with official growth. Kind of like we did from late 1989 well into 1990, where it took a while for the NBER to announce the recession. (I think it was late 1991 or early 1992 before they even "pinned the start" as the summer of 1990.)

So it could be quite a while before we hear an official recession declared. Honestly though, I feel like we are past the change in the wind stage. The wind is blowing now. It is at least "late 1988", in a sense.

Mozo Maz,

So exactly what part of my post did you disagree with? Or were you not disagreeing?

I'd say your scenario is possible.

But for some reason my gut says that a 1981 type blip is kind of unusual, as blips tend to be.

I know it's knid of a cop-out, but we are after all, in "uncharted territory". We're coming off the greatest peak... with little to model the ramifications of it.

We can construct other maybes. Maybe we "round out a bottom" around 4.5%, and everything will be fine. But, coming off the greatest peak seen since --what, the 1920s?-- that seems like wishful thinking.

I will throw a bone out for the bulls. I would re-assess my stance if a good bottom forms, with oh, around 3 quarters of increasing residential investment.

Mozo Maz,

I'm describing more of a short-term outlook. I think it's very likely we'll reach the historical lows like past boom-bust cycles. When that happens is another issue.

I agree that we're in unchartered territory and I don't think it's a cop-out at all. People often like to mock the phrase, "This time it's different!" I agree that it is often said by people denying reality, but the truth is that it is pretty much always "different" in some regard.

Housing busts don't typically cause a slowing economy, they are the results of them. I think that precisely because we were at such a high peak last February that you have to be careful with interpreting the bust of 2006. The housing downturn started largely because the mania ended and speculators left the market to seek higher returns elsewhere (notice the stock market in 2006).

There's still a lot of money out there and there's still a lot of people with jobs. Until something changes that, I don't see how housing can reach the same bust levels as in the past.

You periodically bring up this chart that tracks nonfarm payroll job growth during the Bush presidency. The data suggests average to above average job growth, but the question is, what "types" of jobs are being created? For example, are the new jobs more low paying than the historical average, what industries have supported the most job growth, and which the least, etc. I suspect the job growth in the last six years has created a higher percentage of low-paying jobs (after inflation) with even less stability and benefits. If this is correct, I see no point in trumpeting (not that you're meaning to, but it could be interpreted as such) job growth under Bush if in fact what has happened is an insidious expansion of the lower middle, or "working" class (the group that stradles the 4th & 5th quintile), and record gaps between the very rich and the very poor. I'm hoping you can post some data that reflects on, and puts into perspective, the true underbelly of the entire employment infrastructure, particularly during the Bush years (actually, this recent phenomenon goes back three decades; but I believe it's simply been exacerbated under Bush).

Since there is a floor to poor living and there is no ceiling on rich living, I sincerely hope that the gap between the bottom quintile and the top quintile expands every day.

The gap between the fourth quintile and the fifth quintile should grow every day.

The gap between the third quintile and the fourth quintile should grow every day.

The gap between the second quintile and the third quintile should grow every day.

The gap between the first quintile and the second quintile should grow every day.

Within my lifetime I hope to see people so rich that their comodes have disposable robot arms built in for masaging the waste from their hineys.

Calculatedrisk: "...This is just the beginning of the loss of several hundred thousand residential construction jobs over the next year or so..."

Doesn't anybody but (anal-retentive) me actually look at the data before they post, just as a cursory reality-check so they don't sound...less informed than they should be?Smile There are only about 975,000 or so TOTAL salaried residential construction jobs. So what's the thrust here, that virtually every residential construction worker is going to be out of work?Smile

In past recessions the only way construction job-loss reached the multiple hundreds of thousands was when ALL construction, residential and non-residential, was included. (And the number of non-residential construction jobs is several times the number of residential, BTW.)

I'm all for contrarianism, listening to your own drummer, ignoring the "established wisdom", etc. But only if the facts support that minority view. Which they don't, in this case.

Sebastia

In Response to "Name":

From your response to my post, a few things become quite clear (although, please feel free to correct me if I misread you) about your economic philosophy, the principal tenent of which is as follows:

"You are clearly entrenched in the not uncommon belief that strict adherence to a free-market form of capitalism -- as practiced here in the United States -- represents the optimum economic system to bring forth stability and prosperity for the people of the United States as a whole" (that is, if you even care about the whole).

To be clear, I'm not an anti-capitalist, but I'm by no means a worshipper either, and while I disagree with the tenent above, this is not the appropriate forum to present a dissertation on the subject. Nevertheless, I will make the following brief comments about some of your specific statements contained in your post.

Because you've stated the obvious, that under our current economic system there's a floor to wealth but not a cap, does not in and of itself represent a cause for the celebration of increases in income gaps across the spectrum. In fact, I can think of no redeeming value in the income of the top 20% exploding upwards as the income of the bottom 20% plummets to the point of destitution, unless one happens to be fortunate enough to be in the top 20%, and doesn't give a rats ass about the bottom 20%.

Finally, in the last line of your post, you appear to display an eccentric worship of the rich, which includes their freedom to purchase the most fancy and expensive gadgets and possesions, "just because they can," as if silliness and ostentatiousness are values of inherent good. Indeed, although I'm certainly not in love with wiping my own ass, I can't imagine a robot's hand ever being preferable over my own for the purposes for cleaning waste from my body. Yes, I'm afraid the continuing utility of human hands and the stock of Kimberly-Clark are a safe bet for quite sometime; thank God!

3-5 million of those jobs are in "bubble" sectors: government (+contracting), health care, and housing. See this. And this.

It doesn't leave much left to pat one's back over.

Sebastian, CR is talking about residential plus residential specialty trades, BLS series CES2023800101 and CES2023610001. Combined employment as of end Jan 2007 was 3,330,500 (preliminary).

Any other questions?

Aaron,

You make some good points, and thanks for the data links. So, many of the new jobs created are volatile or transient in nature, and in the case of healthcare, many are lower paying (e.g., geriatric aides). I suspect there has also been a significant transformation out of the manufacturing component and into the typically lower paying service sector (e.g., retail). I'd love to see some data on that.

mp,

What the rich had ten years ago, upper middle class has today.

Cable/satellite pay TV has 98% penetration and households have .75 automobiles per adult. World travel can be swung by middle classers as an anual vacation, and urban under 30's eat at restaruants more often than they cook. "Fresh" seafood in Kentucky. Kids on food stamps have game cube - they were asking for game cartridges on the giving tree at my church.

I would also avoid the robo rump rubber, but the option to decline will eventually come around.

The quote you wrote misses, but it was close enough that I feltit whiz by. I don't think pure capitalism can ever exits.

"as the income of the bottom 20% plummets to the point of destitution"...

Absurd. The bottom 20% has always been near the point of destitution, and relatively speaking always will be. Today's 20% can be driven into an emergency room for rushed, possibly ameteur treatment from rookies with 8 years of schooling and walk out with a limp from a tragedy that would have killed an thje Sultan of Brunai 30 years ago.

You're right about wandering off topic. I think the rest of the folks have probably moved on to CR's newer reading. This little bit at the end won't hurt.

Name, I think you mis-directed your comment.

Oops. You're right. Also see that the thread is ongoing.

"..Sebastian, CR is talking about residential plus residential specialty trades, BLS series CES2023800101 and CES2023610001. Combined employment as of end Jan 2007 was 3,330,500 (preliminary)..."

Thank-you for pointing that out, although it would have been nice if he'd said what he meant.Smile

I do have another question, though. Upon what is he basing his opinion that there will ultimately be a loss of several hundred thousand jobs in this sector? That's a recession-level number, with no evidence of recession on the horizon. (Evidence with proven historical causal relationships, I mean.) TIA for any response.

Sebastian

Sebastian, see

Calculated Risk: Housing: Starts and Completions 

In summary, completions lag starts by approximately six months (per Census Bureau) and sector employment is strongly correlated with completions.

Yes, you are correct about non-residential employment. However, non-residential employment lags residential and soon soon begin to turn down as well. I suggest you read CR's archives. He's a very bright analyst and does this as a retirement hobby. With all due respect, you can't expect him to re-explain everything he writes.

"soon soon" should read "should soon"

MP, I can appreciate that CR shouldn't have to re-explain everything he writes.Smile

But perhaps he or you could explain this: BLS CES2023800101 only has data going back to 2001. So how would it be possible to know what impact housing starts, completions, etc., would have on employment in this sector without knowing its impact during previous periods of housing weakness?

Respectfully, I'm just trying to separate CR's speculations from what he knows for sure based on actual data with proven forecasting ability. His prediction of large job losses isn't logical in the absence of recession, for which there's no evidence.

Sebastian

Sebastian,

As to your first question, prior to 2001 the two BLS series were consolidated. From 2001 on, the Bureau of Labor Statistics separated the old series into the two current series. The old series is comparable to the sum of the two new ones. The long-term historical correlations between permits, starts, completions, and employment have been studied exhaustively.

Historically, housing starts are considered a leading indicator of recession. Employment, on the other hand, is a lagging indicator. You won't see unemployment go up until after a recession has begun.

You are correct in saying there is no evidence of recession, but a number of leading indicators, housing being one, are suggesting that a recession is possible, if not likely.

MP, I have to thank-you for the cordial responses.Smile

I'm looking at the housing starts data from the past 40 years.

http://www.census.gov/const/starts_cust.xls

Using the monthly unadjusted data there have been 10 instances in the past 4 decades when year-over-year housing starts fell by similar percentages to now (significant drops of -20% or more).

Ten instances of similar housing-starts weakness, but only six recessions.

You seem like a reasonable person, so you tell me: If housing-starts weakness has forecast recession 66% more often than recessions occurred (10 times and only 6 recessions), how reliable is this indicator?

The Wright Model yield-curve is a leading indicator of recession with one of the better forecasting records, yet it isn't signalling recession.

You mentioned that a number of other leading indicators are suggesting recession. Could you tell me which ones you and/or CR believe are the most compelling, so that I can look them up for myself? TIA.

Sebastia

Sebastian, I would recommend that you use seasonally-adjusted data, but that's OK. Personally, I use unadjusted data only for cycle-to-cycle comparisons. Having said that, there is no such thing as an infallible indicator, but housing is one of the best. Housing did not lead the last recession because that one was investment-led. Housing signalled in 1966, but there was no recession because of the big fiscal stimulus (Viet Nam). It picked up the other six. You have to learn how to use the indicators.

As far as Wright is concerned, I assume you're looking at his Model B, and you are correct. However, B is perilously close to signalling. Last time I looked, his Model A was already signalling. The Estrella-Trubin model is also very close. The 10-year treasury/bond-equivalent 3-mos term spread has been signalling for some months now and it is the gold standard. That term spread is also highly correlated with future GDP growth. The NAHB-Wells Fargo index, also signalling, is correlated with future consumption growth and highly correlated with starts. Also, look at the flow of funds, particularly the leveraging-up in the household sector. Manufacturing is also in the tank and no one is investing in capital equipment. No investment, no growth.

What's being signalled? Low Growth. Forecasting a recession is a sucker's bet because recessions are dated by the NBER. What we're looking at now is a growth slowdown that could turn into a recession. CR made the call for a 2007 recession in January, as I did, but I'd never do it on the record, although I did forecast a slowdown over a year ago.

Personally, I'm looking for a currently evolving credit event in the household sector to tip the economy. It's CR's and Tanta's "specialty". Study CR's archives, they'll answer a lot of your questions.

"...Study CR's archives, they'll answer a lot of your questions..."

Thank-you for the civil discourse, but you've answered all my questions.

I've looked at all the indicators you mentioned (and many others), I was just trying to determine if CR had any unique indicators or insights (no). He's at the mercy of false signals and mixed signals in the economic data just like anyone else.Smile

I would point out that durable goods orders and industrial production aren't signalling recession. (They can slow, even while the economy continues to expand normally.) Unemployment rises sharply from a low level prior to recession, and that's not happening. After a period of solid net job creation non-farm payrolls begin to show months of net job loss, also not happening. The inverted yield-curve indicators often reach a point just below the recession-level threshold, and then back off just as everyone becomes convinced that recession is imminent.

SP500 earnings (TTM as reported, which moves with GDP) will show a couple of quarters of weakness before recessions...no confirmation of weakness there, either.

Just FWIW. Thanks again for the discussion.Smile

Sebastia

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