Warehouse Lender Acting "Irrationally"

Seems like Merril Lynch is on the ball with their chief economist living in the real world and such.

I'm curious, though, did their reputation get burned during the dot.com blowout?

I suspect a latent motive somewhere.

CR, this "mini credit crunch" seems on the threshold of morphing into something huge. I've been crunching six years of data today and see the credit system losing flexibility. I'm sure you've been crunching the numbers, too. Now, Merrill is warning of a coming global liquidity crunch.

The latest TIC report is disturbing, coming on the heels of the still-developing collapse in sub-prime funding. We're beginning to see a lack of confidence in Alt-A. If "Rest of the World" confidence in the rest of the paper is shaken, you know what that means.

I'm beginning to get a major kick out of this "it's all ML" meme.

Oh, and Mr. Marvin? You are annoyed by "irrational" credit markets? I'm so sorry to hear that. If you'll hold for a moment, I'll see if a Schadenfreude Specialist in our Real Economy Without Capital Investment Department can take your call . . . please enjoy the violins on the hold music . . .

Merrill Lynch agreed to buy First Franklin for $1.3 billion- I think that tells the entire tale- they are killing their competition in a space that will be shrinking, but will eventually be quite profitable again.

Gee, not exactly good from an antitrust viewpoint- but then this current justice department doesn't give a you know what.

Didn't I comment about this a while ago and undergo just about abject dimissal? Funny how often I am right.

"I'm curious, though, did their reputation get burned during the dot.com blowout?"

Somewhat, yes.
See "ML Internet Strategies Fund" class action lawsuit ...

http://securities.stanford.edu/1024/MER02-01/

For more ML fun, Google : "merrill lynch internet strategies fund"

"I'm curious, though, did their reputation get burned during the dot.com blowout?"

Somewhat, yes.
See "ML Internet Strategies Fund" class action lawsuit ...

http://securities.stanford.edu/1024/MER02-01/

For more ML fun, Google : "merrill lynch internet strategies fund"

It wouldn't be beyond Merrill Lynch to get massively short the BBB tranche of the ABX index and then start making the margin calls to disrupt the market and take a tidy profit on their derivative position....

WHAT IS MERRILL'S EXPOSURE?

It wasn't Merrill acting irrationally, the conversation was sparked by an analyst asking about Merrill margin call comment. That CC Q&A session is pretty interesting, check it out, just jump past the prepared remarks.

TANTA, DO YOU HAVE A HANDLE ON MERRILL'S EXPOSURE?

What is Merrill's exposure? To read the internet these days, you'd have to conclude that ML is exposed to the entire universe. Being as how they're the only one making any margin calls and stuff.

Hell, the best thing I've ever heard about LEND is that they have eight different warehouse lines. (That said, I haven't trotted off to EDGAR to see what the dollar amounts are, so I don't know how big a share ML's "one-eighth" is.) It's all these jokers with exactly one line--or one line with more than a trivial balance--who have been going up in flames, and if ML was willing to be the only warehouse lender in the shop, then yes, ML has major exposure and ML gets to tell you how to run your business and which radio station you get to listen to. What did these people think Merrill was going to do?

Tanta, the numbers I've been crunching and that MarketWatch article are whispering to me. It's time to analyze Merrill.

Tanta,

I just happened to be looking at the constituent names to the ABX 07 BBB- and guess what appeared on the list:

C-BASS 2006-CB6 Trust

Looks like MTG and RDN decided they couldn't resist joining the origination party.

C-BASS 2006-CB6 Trust:

"The mortgage loans were purchased by the sponsor from Ameriquest Mortgage Company, New Century Mortgage Corporation, OwnIt Mortgage Solutions, Inc., Wilmington Finance Inc. and various other originators that each originated less than 10% of the aggregate unpaid principal balance of the mortgage pool as of
the cut-off date."

SEC Info - C-BASS 2006-CB6 Trust, et al. - 424B5 - On 7/31/06

Tanta,

Talk about a dog's breakfast. Who is Wilmington Finance?

Wilmington Finance is a member of American International Group, Inc. (AIG). AIG is the world's leading international insurance and financial services organization, with operations in more than 130 countries and jurisdictions. Wilmington Finance's unique industry perspective and solid financial strength allows us to make loans that others simply cannot.

Wilmington Finance

Tanta, looks like being a Schadenfrude Specialist will be one of the great job growth engines going forward. Are the job requirements such that the post can be filled by unemployeed construction workers? Have a friend who might be perfect for the job, you know who is hiring?

"Wilmington Finance's unique industry perspective and solid financial strength allows us to make loans that others simply cannot."

Aah, vanity. Never fails to deliver.

To reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, then serve in Heav'n

I'll dig up my old copy of Inferno and get ready.

A wharehouse lender can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.

I know, I know. No Keynes quotes allowed, but turning the platitudes on the dealers in platitudes is too much to resist. This is, afterall, the American Dream we are talking about!

brewster: Easy Money Attitude.

But I'm confused. Even if others simply cannot make these loans can they still make them in a somewhat complex, dare I even say "creative", fashion?

All this financial innovation has me perplexed. I showed up because the flyer said something about a free lunch, but now I can't seem to find it anywhere!

A few observations about the recently issued TIC report for December.

  1. The negative net wasn't just a matter of less foreign purchase of US long term securities, it's also a matter of more US purchase of foreign securities.
  2. The December TIC report is definitely different that previous months and previous Decembers. It could be a one-time anomaly, but if it is the inflection point in a trend, things will become interesting.
  3. Although the report's release comes on the heels of the credit crunch in subprime, the period being reported (December) marked the beginning of the rising spreads and the subprime crunch. Coincidence?

Take the time to digest, great bathroom reading;

Link 

stiles,

How was the latest TIC different than past decemember TICs?

ML has always been on top of it ...

"Epitaph for a Doomed Fund

from: Index Funds | DFA Funds Approved - DFA Advisors - Dimensional Fund Advisors Approved

April 22, 2002

Indexers often talk about "seeding and weeding" of funds in the
abstract, which does not always convey the reality of the wreckage
created by these practices. Seeding is the frequent launch of new
active funds in hopes that a few will shine, and weeding when the
losers are quietly closed and their assets merged into the winners.
Together they make surviving active funds look far better than they
are.

One of the most glaring examples of a firm bringing investors late
to the party and sending them home with a headache is Merrill Lynch,
the giant brokerage firm. In 1998, its sole tech offering was Merrill
Lynch Technology, and it was, well, a real stinker. In September of
1998, the fund was ranked in the bottom tenth of its peers for the
trailing one-year, three-year and five-year periods, according to
Morningstar.

Management was replaced in 1998, and shortly after, Merrill created
Merrill Lynch Global Technology (MAGTX) and merged Merrill Lynch
Technology into it.

Then there was Merrill Lynch Internet Strategies (MBNTX) Fund,
launched in March 2000, no doubt in response to client demand to
chase returns of high-flying technology stocks.

It opened its doors with a breathtaking $1.1 billion in assets.
Within 12 months it lost 74% of its value, according to Morningstar.
In October of 2001, only 19 months after opening its doors, it was
merged into Merrill Lynch's Global Technology Fund.

Another Merrill loser was the Merrill Lynch Growth Fund (MBQRX),
which tanked with the Nasdaq in 2000 and 2001. In late 2001 it was
merged with the larger Merrill Lynch Fundamental Growth Fund
(MCFGX), which was doing well among its peers at the time.

It doesn't stop there. On March 25, 2002, Merrill planned to merge
Merrill Lynch Premier Growth B (MBPGX) and Merrill Lynch Mid Cap
Growth A into Merrill Lynch Large Cap Growth A (MALHX), which was a
strong performer relative to its peers.

The bottom line is that fund comparisons can be misleading when
"survivorship bias" isn't taken into account. This will continue to
be the case as long as fund companies can bury the performance of
poor-performing funds with periodic weeding."

Here's Brad Setser's take on the TIC report:

Dr. Setser 

Fullcarry,

I don't follow international flows much and when I look at a series I'm unfamiliar with I look at a month vs. recent history and months in previous years to account for seasonal variations. Nothing fancy. December is not a particularly low month for net capital flows.

Trader Walt referenced Brad Setser's post on the TIC report and Setser specializes on international flows.

Treasury's TIC page is at U.S. Treasury - Treasury International Capital System -
Home Page

By my count, there have been eight months since 2000 with net negative flows. So the December report is unusual, but not unique. All the others were standalone events, so it will be interesting to see the January report to see if the net bounces back into positive terrain.

DID made an interesting point in touting foreign investment targets (BRIC, et al.) Part of the story in the negative December TIC was Americans investing abroad (vs. domestic) at a higher rate.

APEX GETS BOOTED FROM GA AND AL

To: All Apex Mortgage Employees and Loan Officers
From: Roy Williams, President
Subject: Loans in the State of Georgia

The purpose of this letter is to notify you that EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY Apex Mortgage will not make, assist in, or broker any loans secured by property in the State of Georgia.

We hope to broker loans in Georgia in the near future, and will notify you of our decision to do so.

In this regard, keep in mind that Apex Mortgage has a policy that prohibits a loan officer or employee from making any loan in violation of state licensing laws. Loan officers or employees who violate this prohibition will be terminated immediately.
Sincerely,
Roy Williams

Here's Stephen Roach's take on the TIC:
Morgan Stanley - Global Economic Forum

Also, read this on petrodollar recycling:
Morgan Stanley - Global Economic Forum

The one-month does not make a trend still applies.

Here's Stephen Roach's take on the TIC:
Morgan Stanley - Global Economic Forum

Also, read this on petrodollar recycling:
Morgan Stanley - Global Economic Forum

The one-month does not make a trend still applies.

DID, about that moving to where there are low taxes... or more accurately, the simplistic view that "low taxes" is the same as "treated better"... explain Toyota choosing Canada over Alabama in 2005? IIRC, it was something to the effect of the low taxes being insufficient to make up for shortfalls in other things for which taxes pay.

Realist, thank you very much for the link to the Hudson paper.

Thank you, Tanta, for your input.

It's time to dive and put up the scope.

"It's time to dive and put up the scope." ~mp

Sounds like fun. Please let us know more...

If you were wondering why that Option One sale was taking a while to find a bid, this may help shed some light on the topic...you have to work at it to be 20% in the hole in less than a year.

While you are on the site, scroll down to see the foreclosure stats going parabolic around Sacramento

Sacramento Real Estate Statistics 

"I'm beginning to get a major kick out of this "it's all ML" meme.

Oh, and Mr. Marvin? You are annoyed by "irrational" credit markets? I'm so sorry to hear that. If you'll hold for a moment, I'll see if a Schadenfreude Specialist in our Real Economy Without Capital Investment Department can take your call . . . please enjoy the violins on the hold music ."

I think you need to get off the soapbox because you are not giving a clear picture of what's going on. You're in the business but you seem to be more interested in hearing yourself speak instead of laying out the facts in a fair-minded fashion. Your informed critique has turned captious.

For all of you interested in balance and fact, there is worthy debate about Merrill and ther recent actions. For instance:
Merrill Lynch's actions in regard to margin calls on its mortgage banking
clients had many executives talking this past week. Merrill's latest victim
of buyback requests is California wholesaler ResMAE, a company founded six
years ago by former Long Beach Mortgage chief Jack Mayesh. Does Merrill have
the right to ask mortgage bankers to repurchase loans if they go bad in the
first 90 days? Of course it does. But in its bankruptcy filing ResMAE claims
that $308 million in buybacks that Merrill forced upon the company were not
even delinquent! That's what the document says. ResMAE charges the loans
"were current despite" being what it calls "technical" early payment
defaults. ResMAE also says that Merrill thinks it has the right to put loans
back to the company for an "unlimited" period of time. Merrill would not
comment. For the full story read Monday's National Mortgage News. Don't
subscribe? Call: (800) 221-1809...

The Merrill-ResMAE dispute raises another issue. For months we've been
hearing about what a poor job some Wall Street firms do as "interim"
servicers. Nonprime mortgage executives say that after the loan is funded
and delivered certain Street firms screw up the paperwork. Is this just
excusing making? Merrill, by the way, owns a "scratch and dent" servicer
called Wilshire. How large is Wilshire's portfolio? No one knows because
Merrill, after it bought Wilshire, stopped disclosing those figures to NMN
and its data-collecting competitors. Merrill also owns a mortgage banking
unit in Florida. How much does that operation fund? We don't know because
Merrill doesn't disclose those numbers. Meanwhile, talk is continuing that
Merrill's very own subprime arm, First Franklin, will only benefit from all
its competition going out of business...

As the subprime carnage continued last week another concern was raised. One
non-depository mortgage executive told us that warehouse providers (Merrill,
others) have a provision in their contracts, stipulating that a lender must
be profitable at least every other quarter. In other words, if a mortgage
banker loses money two quarters in a row, they could potentially lose th

"If you were wondering why that Option One sale was taking a while to find a bid, this may help shed some light on the topic...you have to work at it to be 20% in the hole in less than a year.

While you are on the site, scroll down to see the foreclosure stats going parabolic around Sacramento"

The reason why the Option One deal is taking so long is because of the enormity of the deal--it will be the largest purchase to date-- and beacause there are multiple suitors...

Realist, My interpretation of the very informative Hudson Paper is CDO problems are virtually inevitable and will stop rmbs issuance indefinately.

New game, don't make any loans you can't or wouldn't want to keep. Spreads will improve)

The reason why the Option One deal is taking so long is because of the enormity of the deal--it will be the largest purchase to date-- and beacause there are multiple suitors...

I dunno. The longer this goes on, the less the company is worth.

Why does anybody want to buy these companies anyway? Aren't they just the nozzle at the end of the liquidity hose?

I fail to see the value in a company whose only job is to convert somebody else's money into mortgages.

Max,

Could this be nothing more than a situation similar to ECC Capital/Encore Credit being "bought" be Bear Stearns, which basically bought ECC so it wouldn't have to write down the $33M loss? In other words, these investment banks are "buying" these mortgage companies, not so much because they want a part of this crappy business, but to just avoid a write down on their own books. Pretty clever, but I doubt this will work with the bigger players.

source: ml-impode.com

"Could this be nothing more than a situation similar to ECC Capital/Encore Credit being "bought" be Bear Stearns, which basically bought ECC so it wouldn't have to write down the $33M loss?"

It's not. Fieldstone was just purchased for over 200 million by C-bass.

Beyond the current cyclical issues, these "nozzels" can bring in enormous margins to a low-yield world...the IBs want the coupo

"the IBs want the coupon"

I take umbrage with your characterization of a subprime meltdown as a "current cyclical issue". This isn't scratch-and-dent, it's nuclear waste, and these yields you refer to are vapor-ware and the IB's know this.

In other words, if these IB's are the primary pipeline and they know the losses are going to be huge, much better to show that $33M or $200M as an "acquisition" of sorts rather than a write down.

The quote, from Paradise Lost, more completely is:

What though the field be lost, all is not lost,
To reign is worth ambition though in hell,
Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.

I daresay the field is lost.

Oh, and "producer", next time you get riled up, please remember you don't have to put carriage returns after every line. These new computers aren't really like typewriters.

Oh, producer wants some “balance” and “facts.” I, who have gone out of my way to imply that ML is a bunch of rapacious bastards, am now responsible for the stupidity of a bunch of lenders who climbed into bed with said rapacious bastards and are now unhappy about it. Well, let me be painfully clear here: these lenders went to ML because it was either the best bid or the only bid. There are kinder and gentler parties to whom you can sell loans, but they do tend to have higher standards and lower bids. ML’s reputation in the mortgage marketplace preceded the signing of these agreements, I will propose. Yet the agreements were signed. Now the lenders have to live with it, and they don’t like it. I repeat my question: what did they think Merrill would do? Put on a Mother Theresa outfit and offer everyone absolution? They thought this was all upside?

But in its bankruptcy filing ResMAE claims that $308 million in buybacks that Merrill forced upon the company were not even delinquent! That's what the document says. ResMAE charges the loans "were current despite" being what it calls "technical" early payment defaults.

1) The loans "were current": so? What does the EPD covenant say in the Purchase Agreement? Have you, personally, ever seen one that says that the buyer may not demand repurchase of an EPD loan if the loan subsequently becomes current? I, personally, have never seen this, nor am I inclined to believe, until I see it, that ML--of all parties--would offer such an "out."

2) $308MM in "technical" defaults? That's how many loans? How many "misapplied payments"? Where did the misapplied payments go? Could it be that Merrill decided to invoke the EPD covenant precisely because ResMAE kept claiming that the payments had been made, but never produced either the payments or the evidence that the interim servicer had received them? So should ML just eat it in this case? Is ResMAE unfamiliar with the idea that it is responsible for the collection and crediting of payments until the day of servicing transfer, and possibly after if the contract so specifies?

ResMAE also says that Merrill thinks it has the right to put loans back to the company for an "unlimited" period of time.

Well, I don't have the purchase agreement in question in front of me, but I'll point out that I have never seen one with reps, warranties, covenants, remedies, indemnities, obligations, or anything else that did not survive purchase, sale, transfer, liquidation of loans, or termination of the agreement, without limitation. There may be contracts out there that limit the period of time in which the buyer may demand repurchase of the seller, but I have never seen one. (And, frankly, if I did, I'm not sure I'd sign it, on the theory that a moron for a counterparty is not a recipe for success.) Nor do I believe, for a moment, that any party as savvy as Merrill Lynch would enter into an agreement to buy loans with 30-year terms (or more) that limits the period in which it can demand remedy for breach. Perhaps some of our attorney friends will comment on the likelihood that ML's counsel let a "survivability" problem like this past them.

Nonprime mortgage executives say that after the loan is funded and delivered certain Street firms screw up the paperwork. Is this just excusing making? Merrill, by the way, owns a "scratch and dent" servicer called Wilshire. How large is Wilshire's portfolio? No one knows because Merrill, after it bought Wilshire, stopped disclosing those figures to NMN and its data-collecting competitors. Merrill also owns a mortgage banking unit in Florida. How much does that operation fund? We don't know because Merrill doesn't disclose those numbers.

Producer, you get to counter me, if you can, with “facts.” The above, however, is a series of unanswered questions. I have some unanswered questions of my own: What does the size of Wilshire’s portfolio have to do with the issue of whether it “screws up the paperwork”? What does the volume of its Florida fundings have to do with that? How does any of this prove that ResMAE is or is not full of shit?

Of course I’m willing to believe that certain Street firms screw up the paperwork. I’ve never, actually, been anywhere near a bulk loan deal that didn’t have something screwed up in it. And if Merrill is just trying to “undo” a stupid investment by unfairly invoking covenants on “technicalities,” well, then I hope the bankruptcy judge shoves it down their throats. On the other hand, if ResMAE is just trying to crawl out from under its own stupidity in having all its eggs in one warehouse/loan sale basket—i.e., putting itself at immense counterparty risk by having nowhere to go if ML’s terms become unacceptable—then I hope the BK judge has the sense to realize that that doesn’t obviate ML’s claims.

I am reminded of one of the late Molly Ivins’ famous lines: you dance with the one that brung you.

An interesting set of comments by the cognoscenti.

Have you all seen the Marketwatch article surveying the acclerating carnage ? Puts it nicely for those of not quite following all the jargon:
Big banks deciding the fates of troubled subprime lenders - MarketWatch

Isn't the real question running here whether the credit crunch spreads beyond sub-prime ? And outside real estate ?

they are killing their competition in a space that will be shrinking, but will eventually be quite profitable again.

What I have been trying to say--obviously not very clearly, I'm too amused by the shock over the gambling in the casino to be clear, I guess--is that these outfits that are imploding are not ML's "competition." They are ML's counterparties in loan purchase and warehousing arrangements, and some of them appear to have had NO BUSINESS PLAN except "sell it to Merrill." OK, fine. So it was a great run for as long as it lasted. No "business plan" like that ever lasts forever; the funding source can go away like it came. I mean, there's actually a question--in the "real world," not necessarily the legal world--of the extent to which these outfits were actually independent mortgage bankers, as opposed to brokers for Merrill. If you want to survive in the mortgage banking business, you diversify your funding sources and you diversify your take-outs, for exactly the reason we are seeing: when you become too much risk concentration for someone else, someone else can cut you loose.

"Isn't the real question running here whether the credit crunch spreads beyond sub-prime ? And outside real estate ?"

Real Estate is large enough that it doesn't NEED to go outside Real Estate to blow up the credit bubble. Real Estate is more than half the credit bubble as it stands.

It only needs to creep into prime, which it will, through those non-traditional loans that were also made there.

IMO subprime loans were going to default and cause significnt losses to lendors. This causes serious damage to securitized bonds and related CDO's. Regardless of ML the weaker players were going to shut down since there would be no market for securitized loans from originators with poor historical default and loss ratios.

ML has speeded up the process by being aggressive. (minimized its own losses?)

"Perhaps some of our attorney friends will comment on the likelihood that ML's counsel let a "survivability" problem like this past them."

Probability --> near zero. Q: Over what "misstep" are attorneys overwhelmingly sued the most often? A: Missing a deadline or blowing the statute of limitations. With this costly mistake ingrained in every partners' mind, it would be extremely unlikely that the talent ML hires at $500/hr. would voluntarily create a "limitations" problem in a multi-billion dollar contract.

BTW, it's my assumption that ML's legal team drafts the documents, or at least dictates the terms, since they essentially control the deal.

"And if Merrill is just trying to “undo” a stupid investment by unfairly invoking covenants on “technicalities,” well, then I hope the bankruptcy judge shoves it down their throats."

Tanta, he won't. I don't doubt that ML is essentially undoing a stupid investment, but a covenant breach is a covenant breach, "technical" or not.

Do I have the framework correct? ML's portfolio suffered EPD's that were subsequently "cured"? Too bad for ResMae unless the docs contain specific language allowing for the cure, which does not appear to be the case. It sounds more to me that ResMae is barking up an equitable relief wall, one it can't scale in a contract matter. Even if it could get past preliminary objections, ML can argue that EPD's are indicators of future defaults, and that equitable relief is therefore unwarranted.

ML wins. Place your bets!

Winjr, the only way I can see ResMAE winning is if it provides evidence that it attempted to turn bona fide misapplied payments over to ML and ML refused to accept them. No reading of any loan sale contract I know of would give ML the right to refuse good faith effort to settle the loans.

What people who hang their hats on the "misapplied payment" thing leave out of the calculation is the borrowers. Even subprime borrowers will get a little pissy if they get socked with a late fee equal to 5% of their monthly payment when they actually made the payment on time, just to the wrong party. I have found in my own experience that borrowers are on my side in the quest to locate a misapplied payment--they're the ones who want that late fee reversed. It looks to me like everyone had the appropriate motivation to fix the problem if it were fixable. Some people want to assume that ML's motivations were more nefarious, but as vicjim says, we have so much other evidence that the loans were junk that it's hard to think ML is doing anything but accelerating the inevitable.

Oh yeah, and if someone tells me that ResMAE wasn't charging late fees to the borrowers, because they're not really a loan servicer and they just intended to transfer the loans over to ML so fast that they'd never have to take a payment, my response is uh-huh, and people get burned by trying to do that. You go tell a judge that you both 1) had the capacity and willingness to abide by your contractual covenants and 2) didn't have the capacity or willingness to charge late fees for any payments that might have gone delinquent while you were still, technically, the owner of the servicing rights of the loan. The judge will be unimpressed. Nobody I know of is impressed by what ends up being the standard excuse of all check kiters: but I intended this one to clear before that one did.

Risking total flameout, I pushed on:

"Wilmington Finance is a member of American International Group, Inc. (AIG). AIG is the world's leading international insurance and financial services organization, with operations in more than 130 countries and jurisdictions. Wilmington Finance's unique industry perspective and solid financial strength allows us to make loans that others simply cannot."

9/11 and the Greenberg Familia 

WSJ Editorial

This is noteworthy. The editorial board of the Journal is one of the last groups to put on a hair shirt and fret about the economy. They sound worried:

"How Expansions Die
February 17, 2007;
Since the current expansion really started to cook in 2003, any number of overwrought reasons have been offered to predict that disaster was imminent: the budget deficit, energy prices, the trade deficit, the "tapped out" consumer, and so on. The economy has weathered them all.

However, we finally have a threat that really does bear watching -- namely, a potential credit crunch precipitated by the housing downturn and rising default rates. As Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke noted in his Senate testimony this week, the economic damage from the real-estate slide has so far been contained to housing. But in addition to the pain that homebuilders have experienced, banks and mortgage brokers are increasingly feeling the pinch, especially in the sub-prime sector...

This accumulation of bad loans represents a crack in the foundations of the recovery. Typically, a housing downturn and the credit problems that accompany it are a result of underlying economic weakness, rather than their cause. The economy slows, people lose their jobs and are forced to sell under duress lest they default. The distressed selling drives prices down. But in this case, it may work the other way around...

Now the housing market is flat to down across most of the country and loans with adjustable rates are adjusting upward. So even with unemployment low and the economy still humming, marginal buyers can suddenly find themselves forced to sell. And if they had little equity to begin with, they may not have much money left after they sell -- if they can sell at all. If they can't, they fall behind on their payments and the banks have to book the loans as delinquent.

Thus does a virtuous circle caused by easy money turn vicious, and interest rates aren't even all that high -- at least not yet...

We aren't joining the partisans at certain newspapers who have predicted recession each of the last four years. The labor market remains healthy, the consumer resilient, business investment robust and equity markets buoyant. But this certainly is no time for Congress to add to the risks of a credit crunch by committing such policy blunders as raising taxes, imposing trade barriers or punishing foreign investment in the U.S. Secretary Hank Paulson has prudently been adding financial plumbing capacity at Treasury, and he will need it to limit any credit fallout.

As for the Fed, we hope the tale Mr. Bernanke told Congress this week about perfect "soft landings" was right. But we also suspect that the Fed chief has his fingers crossed that the rest of the economy, at home and abroad, is strong enough to withstand the housing credit woes that the Fed did more than its share to inspire."

How Expansions Die - WSJ.com

Interesting developments;

"As the subprime carnage continued last week another concern was raised. One non-depository mortgage executive told us that warehouse providers (Merrill, others) have a provision in their contracts, stipulating that a lender must be profitable at least every other quarter. In other words, if a mortgage banker loses money two quarters in a row, they could potentially lose their lines. Stay tuned..."

another page 

Countrywide REO's;

REOs Stats

Recession risk and problems spreading;

http://rsch1.ml.com/9093/24013/ds/63768_95.PDF

MTG's C-BASS may be a little nervous watching ABX-HE BBB-06-2.

From MTG’s 2005 10-k

[C-Bass] finances these activities through borrowings included on its balance sheet and by securitization activities generally conducted through off-balance sheet entities. C-BASS generally retains the first-loss and other subordinate securities created in the securitization.

From MTG’s Sept 2006 10-Q
The Company’s income from joint ventures could be adversely affected by credit losses, insufficient liquidity or competition affecting those businesses.
C-BASS: Credit-Based Asset Servicing and Securitization LLC (“C-BASS”) is principally engaged in the business of investing in the credit risk of credit sensitive single-family residential mortgages. C-BASS is particularly exposed to funding risk and to credit risk through ownership of the higher risk classes of mortgage backed securities from its own securitizations and those of other issuers. In addition, C-BASS’s results are sensitive to its ability to purchase mortgage loans and securities on terms that it projects will meet its return targets. C-BASS’s mortgage purchases in 2005 and 2006 have primarily been of subprime mortgages, which bear a higher risk of default. Further, a higher proportion of subprime mortgage originations in 2005 and in 2006, as compared to 2004, were interest-only loans, which C-BASS views as having greater credit risk. C-BASS has not purchased any pay option ARMs, which are another type of higher risk mortgage. Credit losses are affected by housing prices. A higher house price at default than at loan origination generally mitigates credit losses while a lower house price at default generally increases losses. Over the last several years, in certain regions home prices have experienced rates of increase greater than historical norms and greater than growth in median incomes. During the period 2003 to 2005, according to the Office of Federal Housing Oversight, home prices nationally increased 27%. Recent forecasts predict that home prices will have minimal if any increase over the remainder of 2006, and may decline in certain regions.
With respect to liquidity, the substantial majority of C-BASS’s on-balance sheet financing for its mortgage and securities portfolio is dependent on the value of the collateral that secures this debt. C-BASS maintains substantial liquidity to cover margin calls in the event of substantial declines in the value of its mortgages and securities. While C-BASS’s policies governing the management of capital at risk are intended to provide sufficient liquidity to cover an instantaneous and substantial decline in value, such policies cannot guaranty that all liquidity required will in fact be available. Further, approximately 43% of C-BASS’s financing has a term of less than one year, and is subject to renewal risk.
The interest expense on C-BASS’s borrowings is primarily tied to short-term rates such as LIBOR. In a period of rising intere

Brian, that brings us back full circle to the quality of the economic recovery and access to jobs. I don't know how many times I've seen a post from someone that used to work in IT stating that they have only just now gotten being paid what they received in Y2000. (I'm one of them, too.)

I've always been suspicious that a lot of people plowed into brokering, Realtoring, and flipping houses not simply because of a "mania" and cheap credit.

Many of them were reasonably bright, but felt like they could not find work in their old professions. So, they performed what to them seemed reasonable -- "retrain" and go into a new field.

With a RE bust, we're going to have a lot of people from across the industry unsure what to do next.

This week there have been post surprise/concerned by the Balance of Trade report showing that Americans were investing more abroad than in the US. This has been going on for 2+ years: AMG Dat Services

2006 Equity Fund Inflows $157.9 Bil; Taxable Bond Fund Inflows $79.7 Bil
01/14/2007

Equity funds report net cash inflows in 2006 totaling $157.934 billion ($112.456 Bil xETFs) with Domestic funds reporting net inflows of $15.000 billion (Outflows -$5.801 Bil xETFs) and Non-domestic funds reporting net inflows totaling
$142.934 billion ($118.257 Bil xETFs);

International Equity funds report record net inflows totaling $120.595 billion
($96.059 Bil xETFs) with inflows reported in all Developed and Emerging regions;

Taxable Bond funds report inflows totaling $79.726 billion ($73.027 Bil xETFs), with the largest inflows going to Investment Grade Corporate Bond funds ($45.063 Bil);

Money Market funds report the largest net cash inflows ($315.077 Bil) since record inflows were reported in 2001 ($411.223 Bil);

Municipal Bond funds report net cash inflows totaling $21.105 billion.

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MOST IMPRESSIVE IS THE MASSIVE AMOUNT GOING INTO MONEY MARKET FUNDS ($315 Bil) WHICH DWARFS STOCK AND BOND INVESTMENTS. Investors are still conservative.

AMG Data Services HomePage:

AMG Data Services 

Realist, ML's economic worries seem reasonable to me. David Rosenberg was in Canada before he took over at ML and his economic forecasts were much better than average.

Whoops, make that MTG's C-BASS may be a little nervous watching ABX-HE BBB-07-1.

There's going to be a run on the dollar. It's inevitable.

Unless someone is willing to tell me that the dollar is not sensitive to interest rates.

The other possible scenario is that the Fed will allow interest rates to sky-rocket when the liquidity leaks out of the economy. What do you think the chances of that are?

A lot of people aren't too concerned with the trouble in the sub-prime market. I assume it's because they don't think it is a big part of the overall mortgage market.

Does anyone know what percentage of the total market is sub-prime? Is it possible that many people who would qualify for prime chose to go sub-prime because they could buy more?

MTG's off balance sheet, cute sounding C-BASS kind of reminds me of Enron's JEDI, CHEWCO entitities.

Unless someone is willing to tell me that the dollar is not sensitive to interest rates.

That is actually bass ackwards... a run on the dollar would drive interest rates - especially the long bond - sky high... not a change in interest rates cause a run on the dollar.

At least the way things are 'structured' now.

In short if dollars flow out of the long bonds, watch out... There's when your liquidity goes poof.

But for that to happen it would require the FCBs join in that stampede and basically giving up on USD manipulation & their country's export trade with the US.

But it might not be that simple... it would also increase the 'opportunity' for independent carry trade... Non-FCB intervention.

Say the dollar tanks because FCBs just aren't willing to suffer dollars anymore via their acquisition of USD denominated long debt... that shift could start the vicious cycle which builds on itself.

Say the yield on the 10 year shoots up (price collapses)... Say we see 7% or so.

Then a whole lot of other currencies besides just the yen make nice vehicles for carry trade.

Borrow short in another currency with lower rates & buy MUCH higher yielding dollar treasuries. Enough of that happens and the dollar rebounds - at least some. Then maybe FCBs feel brazen enough to step back in (especially if their export industries are screaming loud enough).

Sure treasury yields fall again (and prices with them - a loss in dollars) BUT relative to the currency exchange maybe not so bad. Depends on how the carry flow affects the USD & if the CBs come back or not.

There are all kinds of feedback mechanisms in int'l carry trade & FCB manipulation that will make it very difficult to 'predict' the course of events. The smartest guys in the room won't be smart enough... lucky might work better.

And that is nothing new - after all consider the 'conundrum'.

The subprime mortgage pool as percentage of the total is a tiny fraction - in the low single digits.

As to inflows into MM funds and the conclusion that "Investors are still conservative", not so. MM's are now and have been for 4 years one of the worst places you could put your money. MM funds are little more than a first, temporary stop before investors put their money to work elsewhere.

DaveL wrote:
Isn't the real question running here whether the credit crunch spreads beyond sub-prime ? And outside real estate ?

Well, with all of these lenders now trying to go Alt-A, it's already gone beyond subprime. There just isn't enough legit Alt-A to sustain what they need to write, so they will likely be risk-layering Alt-A to the point that it creates average losses equivalent to subprime lately. That could take another six months to a year, but don't think those on the back end of these deals won't be watching and checking for it.

It's not that subprime in itself is bad. You can write subprime safely and well, but you can't write subprime loans with big resets safely and well without ratios, verified incomes and verified assets. The same is true for Alt-A - if you ignore the issue of whether the loan can be repaid without a sale, in this environment you get relatively high defaults and higher average losses than you do with conservatively underwritten subprime.

Plus, now that the subprime got tighter the Alt-A that gets into trouble won't be able to refi out with subprime. Every time you cut off an underwriting rung you induce more defaults in the rung just above it.

A couple Alt-A lenders I know of have already gone out of business, and I assume the Class of Alt-A 2007 will not have a good graduation rate.

Sure treasury yields fall again (and prices with them - a loss in dollars) BUT relative to the currency exchange maybe not so bad. Depends on how the carry flow affects the USD & if the CBs come back or not.

Wrong, should be - treasury yields fall AND BOND PRICES REBOUND...

Hey I'm not smart enough to be in that room either, obviously.

Point is still valid in that it is way complex & hard to predict.

Actually subprime is closer to 7% of the overall outstanding mortgage stock. Please see the graph on page 3 of this recent report.

http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/311418_Second_Housing_Boom.pdf

Is that an alarming number? I don’t think so, but there are consequences – both bad and good – to the recent changes in access to home ownership. However, any notion that the mortgage lending environment will ever be as restrictive as it was in the relatively recent past is mistaken.

Jimmy The Jammer - I have been following the AMG data since the late 1990s when 90% was flowing into stock mutual funds especially techmology, telecommunications, etc. It has been a great contrary indicator. In 2006, more than 50% of new money was flowing into Money Market Funds, a conservative investment compared to stocks. Therefore my conclusion and why I am not concerned about a major setback in the stock market. Investors imply are not euphoric about stock, especially US stocks.

With regard to stock returns, the MSCI index was up 20% in 2006 and 11% in 2005, not to mention 34% in 2003. Not bad ;~) Yes one must be diversified!

MSCI = Morgan Stanley Capital International Global Index which does NOT include emerging markets - just the major markets in North America, Europe and Asia.

So when you say AMG "money funds" is a contrary indicator

  • Are you saying that it is creating the fuel for the next stock market rise (because these investors will eventually become impatient for yield, and invest elsewhere)

or

  • We are ripe for a stock market correction because investors don't want to buy at these levels?

I am saying one should be careful when the majority of investors are quite enthusiastic about stocks; it represents euphoria. And this applies to segments of the market as well.

When the AMG data show that investors are not heavily investing in stock - NOT euphoric, as now - then it is safe to be invested in a diversified portfolio of stocks.

I am becoming concerned about what I sense is an over enthusiasm for foreign stocks and actually expect the US market to do better than oversea markets this year for the first time in 4 years. Perhaps the US dollar will strenghten as well - a minority view.

as the resident stock bull for much of 2006, i have to mention that i cashed out around 12.5k on the dow.

i dont know where this next lift is coming from.

is it possible that the stock market reflects the declining dollar / inflation / liquidity?

as the resident stock bull for much of 2006, i have to mention that i cashed out around 12.5k on the dow.

dc even I haven't cashed out & I'm no bull - I'm still at least 50% in the market with about 30% bonds & 20% cash. I'm looking at moving the cash in but slowly - DCA. I don't have time to do the research & 'shop' so I drip a little here and there into my mufu's... its worked pretty well... been doing it since the mid-80s.

On the other hand if the market dropped a bunch - I'd pump the cash in pretty fast.

The stock market reflects PROFITS which have been spectacular - much greater % in the 2000s than in the 1990s - as is average % employment greater ironically.

I have friends who sold last Spring when they were worried. You can tell by the very high investment in Money Market Funds that investors are not feeling confident of stocks especially US stocks.

A pearl of wisdon from a 65 year old: there are many stock market sentiment indicators but the AMG data indicates what non-professional investors are really doing with their money - what they really feel. You can go against the majority sentiment everytime and make money. Right now they prefer Money Market Funds.

After many years of investing, I believe that the best one can hope to do is invest in a broad index of stocks like the MSCI Global Index. You can memmic this by 49% Vanguard US Stock Index and 51% Vanguard Global Stock Index.

The stock market reflects PROFITS

Sort of.

More accurately... the net present value of current tangible net worth (hard assets minus liabilities) plus the sum of the estimate of discounted future net earnings.

Its always that last term... the estimate of future earnings and appropriate discount factor... that is the problem. The fact that profits have been great in the past doesn't feed the dog tomorrow unless those profits were (1) monetized and (2) were converted into some kind of hard asset (the first term of that equation) that can carry value regardless of future revenue & earnings... And that's pretty tough to do, easier for management to focus on making sure there will be future earnings.

This is why I'm not a raving bull - I get to see too much of the sausage being made on the operations & execution side of businesses to have a whole lot of blind faith in management's ability to deliver (without tons of luck to float some pretty low draft boats).

Some firms are fantastic & turn lead into gold - many seem to be adequate in boom times - some seem to not be able to get out of their own way even in boom times.

My guess is the fantastic guys even do well in recessions (I've sure seen it in the past) while the adequate ones cease to be adequate and the losers are gone before the game even starts to get rough.

A recession would be a wonderful buying opportunity but you will have to have done your homework first. Most will not have, myself included.

without tons of luck to float some pretty low draft boats

Make that 'deep draft'... you know, low in the water.

SIGH... it's mid-winter... the lakes around here have 30 inches of ice on them. It's hard to think of 'boats' this time of year... painful.

Wink

Well, since this is now a market thread…..

The epiphany that I had since I started reading CR is that, with the equity in our rental houses, we are effectively very long on the dollar.

We were 100% invested in the market since last summer. Mostly US stocks. So in our current rebalancing, I've moved into money market, international, gold and silver. Our mutual funds are value funds that can invest domestically or internationally.

Most commentators on the current bull market indicate that the retail investor has not entered the market, so the bull has time to run. I'm wondering if, since this is so close to the last market bust, if a lot of folks are deciding to sit this one out.

Acting irrationally?

These sub-primer ponzi's have been acting irrationally for several years now. Writing loans that dummies cannot payback is rational?

I'm wondering if, since this is so close to the last market bust, if a lot of folks are deciding to sit this one out.

Or at least determined to stay diversified. That would be most of the people I know. They have plenty enough in the market right now - thank you very much - never a bad idea to have a little something rat holed elsewhere.

In fact if folks have a lot of debt & money in the market - probably be a wise thing to focus on the debt reduction first even if they had to sell equities to do it. Take some off the table & pay visa.

Bulls, especially wealthy bulls, do not understand the risks middle class people face who don't have those same assets.

The closer one is to the edge, the more carefully they need to walk. Potential opportunity loss from not being fully invested prior to a bull run up causes far less havoc to them them than if their savings are savaged in a bear market. Heck those savings might end up being their meal ticket if they lose their job in the 'bear market'.

It is all about risk-reward. The fact that there is that much cash out there in MMFs should make the bulls even more bullish - as any down turn will likely be moderated since there will still be at least SOME reserves for consumption... the biggest factor in GDP.

dryfly, et.al. - haven't looked lately but most FCB flows are into short-term instruments not the l.t. end of the curve. That said if significant funds are re-patriated the $ will come under serious pressure and so will the longer-end of the yield curve. We're overdue and it's been one of the great 'condunrums' why the $ hasn't fallen farther and faster. The (in)famous 'glut of savings', i.e. liquidity, isn't actually all that mysterious. When businesses are hiring or investing - hence the historically high share of profits - they don't need to borrow or go to the public markets. A decent but non-accelerating economy throws off a lot of cash. Those two alone would explain why longer rates are so benign. BUT given trade balances, with China, et.al., it's an accounting identity that finance balances flow the other way. In other words Chinese, Japanese funds must come into those s.t. instruments to finance their surpluses with us.

If that virtuous re-cycle ever falters Ben & Co. will be forced to move rates up. Unfortunately about the time the economy is headed down.

Oops - that should be aren't hiring not are !

"Microsoft Corp. Chief Executive Steve Ballmer said on Thursday analysts' forecasts for revenue from Windows Vista in fiscal 2008 were 'overly aggressive,' sending shares down 1 percent," Reuters reports.

Reuters reports, "The world's biggest software maker cautioned analysts that Vista sales will remain closely aligned to new computer sales. Ballmer said Vista would create a 'small surge' in PC sales in fiscal 2008, but would not spur a big increase over normal growth rates. 'It looks like people are a little bit over optimistic, at least more optimistic than we are,' Ballmer said in a presentation to analysts."

MacNews

PC sales were up, but the question is if not VISTA then what? Maybe getting a stable system before the price increases and problems.

There is a problem of who is holding the MMFs. There may be lots of $$$s for intangables, but if somewhere along the line it don't end up at Walmart or Target, it is not going to help.

i should have clarified my 'cash out' comments.

by cash out i meant, i sold all my equity investments in my 'fun' account. i'm still very very long on equities in my 401k's and the IRA's.

being invested for the long run in equities was assumed i thought!

the 'fun' account is for things like short term trades, options, futures, whatever else tickles my fancy at the moment.

i made a nice sum long on mini dow futures last year starting around summer time i believe it was.

i sounded like the crazy man talking about 12-15 p/e' and 4% div yields.

dryfly, et.al. - haven't looked lately but most FCB flows are into short-term instruments not the l.t. end of the curve.

No, no, no. Read Setser he goes into it pretty well. I haven't seen one single source where he breaks it all down but bits and pieces here and there.

Like the recent TIC report wrap up... here.

It it you will note he mentions short end transfers by the Russians (out mostly) and some of both long & short by the Chinese... with their intervention in the long end larger than the short end. You get hints like that all over.

I think the Asian 'merchantilists' act very different than the more traditional FCBs used to act. I think what you said was right in the past but not anymore... and that was the root cause of confusion surrounding the 'conundrum'.

The Chinese and others buy our debt to hold as an anchor to fasten their currencies to de facto pegs. Churning short money makes that very difficult & 'labor intensive'.

Other FCBs have completely different motives (but also don't have the reserves the Asians do).

Dave think about it - the Chinese are sitting on a trillion dollars in reserves. It is assumed they hold about 80% or more in USD denominated assets ~ $800B. If the average maturity was six months that would mean on average $1.6T comes due every year ($800B twice a year). That would work out to $133B they would have to re-buy every month just to stay even. Add to that the $20-30B net accumulation every month (new reserves). Just moving the paper gets to be a nightmare.

Now if they have a mean maturity of say five years... then the churn falls to $160B per year or $13B per month... add in the $20-30B accumulation of new reserves and you get an almost manageable number.

LOL. If only we had that problem.

I sure don't know the mix of maturities in the portfolio of the merchantilists but I can assure you it isn't what we used to see say 5-10 years ago.

On the otherhand that isn't to say they won't liquidate tomorrow either. Out fate is to a great extent in their hands.

Dave - let me add one more thing.

It might be that in TOTAL they still hold more short term debt than long term debt. But realize we have shortened our offerings (the US Treasury had for much of the 90s & now early 00s too retired old long debt and replaced it with shorter new debt... did this as they came due). So there isn't anywhere NEAR as much long debt out there.

Meanwhile the Chinese hold something like $800B and the Japanese something like $1-1.5T... all combined foreigners hold something like half our outstanding debt.

We 'only' have something like what $8T total? Most of it now shorter duration (a mean maturity of a couple years or so)... Something like that.

It wouldn't take a tremendously heavy intervention in the long end to drive yields down like a rock.

With that in mind... if the treasury thought it a good idea, they could un-invert our yield curve in a hurry. Offer nothing but long debt & see how hungry the Asians really are for our promises.

But would higher long term debt be better for the economy than say an inversion? I would say 'no'... but then I believe the inversion is an indicator not a causal factor... high interest rates on the other hand is very much a causal factor.

"Our fate is to a great extent in their hands"

And many of their exports in american hands. Exports, jobs...thus, who depends on who?

And many of their exports in american hands. Exports, jobs...thus, who depends on who?

Oh, I think it is clearly a 'death dance'... we are lashed together.

Here are some more numbers... I've read that there are somewhere near 300-400 million Chinese living at or near subsistence levels in the interior. Peasants basically.

Every year something like 20-30 million migrate to cities in China looking for work... mostly in the coastal regions around Shanghai and Guangdong.

To put that in perspective imagine an area about the size of coastal California with the population living in California now migrating in every year to 18 months.

Plus there already is a couple hundred million living there already.

This is the greatest migration event of people in recorded history. When they write the history of the 21st century - that will be the major entry. That and the social, political and I dare say environment consequences.

The PRC & CCP have quite the task ahead of them. They need to find jobs for them all... or more accurately since China is now 'capitalist' (snicker, snicker)... they have to create a favorable environment were jobs will be 'created'.

They do this a number of ways but number one is to make sure their currency stays cheaper to the dollar than their neighbors (Japan, Korea, Taiwan, etc.) currency. This means the ratio of the RMB:USD needs to be manipulated to be more favorable than say the won:USD ratio. The others are all trying to do the same.

And of course a similar migration is now well underway in India too though so far they haven't been as merchantilist.

Imagine the social problems around Shangai or Guangdong if the US or european consumer does not longer consider necessary to buy the stuff they make.

And the peasant relatives that depend on money supplied from the coastal regions...

That would be another dark side of globalisation.

The Chinese hold slightly less than 5% of our T's. A position which the FMOC is very comfortable with and which puts the Chinese holding "the short stick" in any theoretical exit on their part.

"The Chinese hold slightly less than 5% of our T's. A position which the FMOC is very comfortable with and which puts the Chinese holding "the short stick" in any theoretical exit on their part."

1)how much of the current treasuries are bougth by the PBoC?
2)could you estimate by how much would increase T's yields if such entry stopped suddenly.

You have a link on that Blackstone? I mean to confirm.

Realizing not all the debt held by PBoC is treasuries... in the last year or so they bought a lot of agency too.

But let's say half of the $800B held by the Chinese were treasuries... and we have $8T debt...

$400B/$8T = 5% It adds up. But then the other half... another 5%... is 'agency' too... Is it really that different considering implied guarantees backing Freddy & Fanny?

Of course the Japanese hold even more than the PBoC.

I'm sure glad the treasury folks are happy with that.

The percentage is a direct quote from Chairman Bernanke's testimony of last week.

And while we are comparing the lengths of everyones stick... all that investment our MNCs have made into China... last I knew the plants we built over there were still over there, run by Chinese we trained.

I'm not sure our stick is as long as we imagine it is.

Of course, the Chinese might try to find a nice little war someplace to, say, distract a few of their populace and maybe even to reduce a few of them. Have you considered their problem of their Male to Female population ratios? Over 40 million men in their vigorous prime won't be able to even find a wife. Regardless of their income, good looks or otherwise. Might be better to draft em and put em on the battlefield.

Yes we're tied at the hip economically but put a little gunpowder in the mix and, well, who wins?

IM, Bernanke addressed the issues you raised last week in response to a question by a member of the SBC.

Here's another interesting way to look at how short their stick is... from macroman...

The sums that we are dealing with here are very considerable indeed. The rate of reserve accumulation of the key players has been virtually parabolic in recent years. The chart below shows the combined currency reserves of just four countries- China, India, Russia, and Taiwan. Note the absence of countries like Korean and Malaysia, as well as the assets that have accrued to Middle Eastern investment authorities. Observe the scale on the left hand side of the chart. At the beginning of 1996, these countries had $235 billion in currency reserves. As recently as January 2002, their combined reserves were $452 billion. As of this September, their combined reserves totaled $1.65 trillion.

In less than five years, therefore, these four countries have essentially pumped $1.2 trillion into global fixed income markets. To put that number in perspective, it is essentially identical to the entire growth of US M2 during the same period!!!! Even if the bulk of the money is put on deposit or enters the 2-5 year sector of the curve, it is very difficult to believe that this does not have a knock-on impact at the back end as well. This is especially the case given that a growing number of reserve assets are being farmed out to private sector asset managers with a benchmark duration that might well be higher than those of the central banks’ direct bond purchases. This, Macro Man believes, is one of the principal solutions to the bond market conundrum and the concomitant lack of volatility.

macroman's reads are almost as entertaining as CRs... almost.

"IM, Bernanke addressed the issues you raised last week in response to a question by a member of the SBC"

Thank you Blackstone.

"I take umbrage with your characterization of a subprime meltdown as a "current cyclical issue". This isn't scratch-and-dent, it's nuclear waste, and these yields you refer to are vapor-ware and the IB's know this."

Some of it is, but the IBs have a great opportunity to back away completely from this type of structured finance, and they are not doing it. This is a very profitable enterprise for them..

The loans "were current": so? What does the EPD covenant say in the Purchase Agreement? Have you, personally, ever seen one that says that the buyer may not demand repurchase of an EPD loan if the loan subsequently becomes current? I, personally, have never seen this, nor am I inclined to believe, until I see it, that ML--of all parties--would offer such an "out."

What Accredited and Resmae are alluding to is the loans were not boarded in a timely fashion so any payments made by the borrowers were not applied. If the servicer for the IB has not officialy matched a payment to a loan, it is "technically" a early payment default, even if the originator has the payment, seen the payment and has passed it along to the servicer, or has confirmed the borrower mailed the payment to the servicer and it's in the black hole.

Typically a lender the size of Resmae or Accredited will take the first payment or two, and sell the loan. The borrower must make their first payment on time to the servicer or the will be considered an EPD even though the borrower has made the first two payments.

I've read that there are somewhere near 300-400 million Chinese living at or near subsistence levels in the interior. Peasants basically.
from dry.

According to the U.S. Bureau of the Census, the resident population of the United States, projected to 02/18/07 at 04:09 GMT (EST+5) is
301,196,996

from the gov.

So the desperate in China are the same in numbers as the entire US population. You can estimate that the UE in China exceeds the entire US workforce.

These numbers are only the tip of the unemployment iceberg. Research by RAND indicates that when proper allowance is made for "disguised" rural unemployment as well as "unregistered" urban unemployment, China's actual unemployment rate soars to an estimated 23% of the total labor force. (The term "disguised" unemployment refers to labor that is reported as nominally employed, but in fact does not add to output -- in the U.S. labor market, "featherbedding" is a nearly-equivalent term).

RAND | Newsroom | Commentary | China's Rising Unemployment Challenge

April was a grim month in Wei Jianzhong's sooty, barracks-like neighborhood in Zhengzhou, the capital of central Henan province. That's when the Henan No. 5 Provincial Construction Co. fired its latest round of workers. The victims have gathered in Wei's cramped living room to commiserate. There's Xiong, a 53-year-old former steamfitter who is trying to survive on $12 a month in unemployment benefits. He reminisces about the time two years ago when thousands of workers from a nearby factory blocked railroad tracks and erected huge posters of the patron saint of Chinese workers—Chairman Mao—to demand their jobs back. He participated in the protest "to stand with them," he says. Today he is out of work too. He wonders aloud, "Who will stand with me?" Kong Qingbin, who worked for 30 years as a guard at the same factory, chimes in with an idea: "Execute the factory leaders. Then maybe we'll be satisfied."
(2002 article)
TIME Magazine: China - Labor Lost

Soooo a slowdown here, could be revolution there.

Soooo a slowdown here, could be revolution there.

That is why I wouldn't bet against continued currency manipulation... keeping them working (1) keeps them busy and (2) at say $500-$1000 per year beats the heck out of $12/month unemployment.

As you've said over & over - the elites will do everything in their power to sustain this system... including to try to do the unsustainable as long as they can.

What Accredited and Resmae are alluding to is the loans were not boarded in a timely fashion so any payments made by the borrowers were not applied. If the servicer for the IB has not officialy matched a payment to a loan, it is "technically" a early payment default, even if the originator has the payment, seen the payment and has passed it along to the servicer, or has confirmed the borrower mailed the payment to the servicer and it's in the black hole.

OK, let's assume that that's true. What I can't figure out, then, is why ResMAE is telling it to a BK judge, rather than having a spiffy RESPA class action lawyer telling it to a different judge on behalf of those borrowers who are getting screwed by Merrill's servicer. I've seen RESPA class standing certified for more trivial violations.

I do have to wonder whether ResMAE really doesn't want to open up the RESPA can of worms.

"OK, let's assume that that's true. What I can't figure out, then, is why ResMAE is telling it to a BK judge, rather than having a spiffy RESPA class action lawyer telling it to a different judge on behalf of those borrowers who are getting screwed by Merrill's servicer. I've seen RESPA class standing certified for more trivial violations.

I do have to wonder whether ResMAE really doesn't want to open up the RESPA can of worms."

Yea, I think you know the answer to that question so no need for me to answer it.

Meanwhile, back on topic, someone mentioned that Merrill and the like can do what they want (buy or not buy, warehouse or not warehouse) and that is true, but this is not supposed to be an adversarial relationship, they are a counter-party to a transaction where they have been a clear winner up to this point. Merrill can do what they want, but their actions are suspicious at best.

And please, no one should come away with the thought that Merrill somehow is ahead of the curve or is acting more prudently or is in anyway "outsmarting" their peer group.

That is nonsense.

Merrill Lynch agreed to buy First Franklin for $1.3 billion- I think that tells the entire tale- they are killing their competition in a space that will be shrinking, but will eventually be quite profitable again.

I think this is partially right, but another consideration is the outright fraud that has been happening with so many option arms in California. Buybacks get pushed back on originators due to early payment defaults and fraud investigations. Sure Ownit was a competitor to First Franklin, but more importantly they were generating fraudulent loans and they got called on it.

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